I should hope that "all cards" includes Pastafarianism.

hahahhah!

WTF why was bill mocking the phrase 'separation of church and state' near the end? Was he channeling Colbert?

"I say there's a First Ammendment, I can say anything I want and Bill Maher can't say anything about it."

Huh? Way to make that clear as mud Ben. And then he repeats it with Hitchens.

All this Persecution Complex nonsense spewing from him, and all I could hear was "Bueller. Bueller."

Damn, I used to think Ben Stein was smart. God is lazy science, it's the perfect way to give up on discovery. I say believe in god if you want, but leave religion out of science, there's just no comparison. They should totally teach evolution in churches, same effect as religion in schools right? :P

Stating that a God may have in fact created the universe does not violate any church/state line. The word "may" is the key word there.

The problem is that somwhere in the mix science will always cross over into philosphy and existance and kids are going to ask questions.

To deny them the right to question all sides of the equation is unamerican.

Ben Stein is totally right here.

I’m all for the discussion of intelligent design, as long as it’s not in a science class. I think world history covers Greek and Roman mythology. It would probably be beneficial to study Abrahamic mythologies as well, it could help explain most of the wars they will be learning about.

That damned entertainment business is up to its old tricks again. Running around aborting babies, paying criminals for not misbehaving, and now; disproving God?!?!?!?

Golly. When will those silly billies learn?

All Mr. Stein is saying is this:

There are some gaps in evolutionist theory. The I.D. theory might be able to fill in those gaps. It might be able to answer some questions that evolution doesn't have answers for. Then again, it might be completely wrong. Many people, some scientists, along with Mr. Stein just want to explore the idea...and they don't think that exploring an idea that contains an Intelligent Designer should be reason that their scientific peers should look down upon them. They are in a search for truth like everyone else....and they might be searching down a dead end.

It's O'Reilly that starts complaining it isn't mentioned in schools and whatnot. Stein just says that people are interested in the idea, it might hold water, it might not, and they'd like to reasearch the idea without criticisim.

I.D. gets shot down because it's usually preached by very religious people...but here are some serious and scientifically minded folks who want to research the idea, and see what it may, or may not have to offer. They aren't preaching it. They are trying to disect it and see how it may apply to our world. That's a very different thing than creating an entire museum on the idea, presented as fact.

So why not let them research. Why make fun of them when they can prove their idea as much as evolutionists....which is that they can't. Granted, evolution has a lot more 'data' to suggest it is true, but that doesn't mean it is. Both ideas are theories. One researched far more than the other.

And how do you research I.D.? I don't know. I'm not a scientists....but I'm willing to let them try. They're doing it for the benefit of mankind, not to shove God down anyone's throat. There is a difference between they way Mr. Stein and others appraoch it, compared to those who simply claim it as a valid theory, build a museum to honor that theory and charge people $19.95 (adult price) to see the 'evidence'.

Wow, it's one thing for famous people to decide to take a public stand against a popular belief, but why on earth are they choosing to to on Bill O'Reilly? Recently I've seen clips with both Ben Stein and Dennis Miller. These are two people who are really talented and good at what they do. That they have "conservative" opinions is fine, but why on earth are they deciding to bring them to Fox McNews and Bill O'Reilly?? That sorta just makes them low-integrity clowns. Kind of sad.

What also gets me about what Ben Stein said is calling ID a scientific theory. It's the complete opposite of a scientific theory...theories require evidence, where ID has 0. He also called evolution a weak theory, also incredibly untrue, the amount of evidence for it is enormous. Blah, this topic makes me so angry haha. Yes evolution has holes, but it's vastly more intellectual than saying we were all made by magic, end of story.

Heh, you know what's funny? Notice that Stein only criticizes Darwinian Evolution. He says nothing about modern evolutionary theory; Ben Stein can only assess theories that were developed two hundred years ago. Probably because he's not educated enough on the subject to say anything meaningful.

"There's so much fear out there in the secular community that their position is so precarious." I think that, historically speaking, the secular community has good reason to be afraid of religions that are trying to gather more power in society.

I like ben Stein, and yes I agree that everyone is allowed free speech. But I gotta admit, one being creating all, I very well doubt it. Everything is energy, and energy is constant, maybe not always in the same form, but it is always there, it was there before the big bang and there after. Why do we have to hold on to thoughts of a "security blanket, why do we have to be frightened of the unknown. the unknown is what inspires us, to push us foreward, to think.

If a suspect's footprints, fingerprints, and hair are found in an apartment that was just robbed, you won't know what he was doing EVERY SINGLE SECOND he was in the apartment, but you're sure he was there. That's what the "gaps" in evolution theory are, and what the IDers use to deny evolution: because you can't tell them what happened on EVERY SINGLE DAY in all the history of the Earth, it must mean that evolution isn't right. One IDer on "Da Ali G Show" asked "Then why aren't monkeys having human babies?"