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Orwell's '1984' comes to life in today's America.
This chilling 2003 documentary film examines the relationship between the media, corporate America, and government.
In a country where the top 1% control 90% of the wealth, the film argues that the media system is nothing but a subsidiary of corporate America.
RT 1:43:34.
This chilling 2003 documentary film examines the relationship between the media, corporate America, and government.
In a country where the top 1% control 90% of the wealth, the film argues that the media system is nothing but a subsidiary of corporate America.
RT 1:43:34.
Oct 6, 2007 6:47 AM
Re: Orwell Rolls in His Grave
What's really Orwellian is claiming that the Mainstream Media, in general, does not have a left-wing political bias. Except for Fox News (and perhaps the WSJ as well), it just does. If you cannot see that, you are an idiot.
George Orwell was a conservative and hated political leftists. In 1943 he wrote:
"England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution . . . the negative, fainéant outlook which has been fashionable among English left-wingers, the sniggering of the intellectuals at patriotism and physical courage, the persistent effort to chip away English morale and spread a hedonistic, what-do-I-get-out-of-it attitude to life, has done nothing but harm . . . "
"Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist . . . If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other . . . pacifist propaganda can only be effective against those countries where a certain amount of freedom of speech is still permitted; in other words it is helpful to totalitarianism."
"Those who want to struggle against Fascism are accused of being wholehearted defenders of capitalist “democracy” . . ."
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Fascism, i.e. National Socialism, is the opposite of International Capitalism (i.e. global corporations), and instead best resembles today's Islamic totalitarians, who wish to conquer the world and establish an Islamic identity ruled by Sharia Law.
George Orwell was a conservative and hated political leftists. In 1943 he wrote:
"England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution . . . the negative, fainéant outlook which has been fashionable among English left-wingers, the sniggering of the intellectuals at patriotism and physical courage, the persistent effort to chip away English morale and spread a hedonistic, what-do-I-get-out-of-it attitude to life, has done nothing but harm . . . "
"Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist . . . If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other . . . pacifist propaganda can only be effective against those countries where a certain amount of freedom of speech is still permitted; in other words it is helpful to totalitarianism."
"Those who want to struggle against Fascism are accused of being wholehearted defenders of capitalist “democracy” . . ."
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Fascism, i.e. National Socialism, is the opposite of International Capitalism (i.e. global corporations), and instead best resembles today's Islamic totalitarians, who wish to conquer the world and establish an Islamic identity ruled by Sharia Law.
By: poonhound
Re: Orwell Rolls in His Grave
So, I am just curious, what makes you think Islamic totalitarians wish to conquer the world? Did they tell you this, or did Rush Limbaugh?
By: Crabjuice
Re: Orwell Rolls in His Grave
They tell it every time they open their mouths. For example: read "The Project" , 1st published in 1982, which is the cornerstone document of the modern Muslim Brotherhood - the largest Islamic political organization in the Arab world, and if you count its off-shoot organizations, like Hamas, Al-Qaeda, Jamaat al-Islamaya, and CAIR, the largest Islamic political organization in the entire world.
It outlines a long-term strategy using immigration, fecundity, missionary work and intimidation to establish muslim populations and sharia-law communities throughout the western world, and use legitamate democratic means as well as terrorism to achieve political goals.
Read it here:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID={61829F93-7A81-4654-A2E8-F0A5E6DD3DC4}
Also, remember what the Prophet Mohammad said in his final sermon before he died:
"Allah has made me victorious through terror...I was put on earth to wage war on all men until there were none but those who say, 'Allah is the only God' "
It outlines a long-term strategy using immigration, fecundity, missionary work and intimidation to establish muslim populations and sharia-law communities throughout the western world, and use legitamate democratic means as well as terrorism to achieve political goals.
Read it here:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID={61829F93-7A81-4654-A2E8-F0A5E6DD3DC4}
Also, remember what the Prophet Mohammad said in his final sermon before he died:
"Allah has made me victorious through terror...I was put on earth to wage war on all men until there were none but those who say, 'Allah is the only God' "
By: poonhound
Re: Orwell Rolls in His Grave
"[A] long-term strategy using immigration, fecundity, missionary work and intimidation to establish muslim populations and sharia-law communities throughout the western world, and use legitamate democratic means as well as terrorism to achieve political goals."
You could change that to:
"A long-term strategy using immigration, fecundity, missionary work and intimidation to establish Christian populations and Christian-law communities throughout the world, and use legitamate democratic means as well as terrorism to achieve political goals."
I don't get it. We're allowed to impose our beliefs, culture, ideals, and everything else on to other societies but when another group wants to do, or is doing, the exact same thing, we immediately brand them as evil or dangerous or in the wrong.
Are we only right because we say we are right?
You could change that to:
"A long-term strategy using immigration, fecundity, missionary work and intimidation to establish Christian populations and Christian-law communities throughout the world, and use legitamate democratic means as well as terrorism to achieve political goals."
I don't get it. We're allowed to impose our beliefs, culture, ideals, and everything else on to other societies but when another group wants to do, or is doing, the exact same thing, we immediately brand them as evil or dangerous or in the wrong.
Are we only right because we say we are right?
By: Wolvan
Re: Orwell Rolls in His Grave
Sharia law, according to all 4 mainsteam schools of Sunni Jurisprudence, as well as that of the Ayatollas (Shiites), includes civil mandates for the death penalty for adultery, apostasy, and homosexuality; institutionalized subjugation for women and religious minorities, tolerance for slavery..ect.
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"Are we only right because we say we are right? "
The answer to that question is that American/ Judeo-Chritian values - such as life liberty and the persuit of happiness for all individuals regardless of race, gender or creed - are right because they are universal values and it is self evident that they are morally right. We don't need to "say we are right" to make those values morally right. It doesn't matter who says 2+2=4 to make it true.
Tell me how in the 21st century Christians use terrorism to "impose their values," or which Christian values are morally worse than those Islamic ones I described above.
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"Are we only right because we say we are right? "
The answer to that question is that American/ Judeo-Chritian values - such as life liberty and the persuit of happiness for all individuals regardless of race, gender or creed - are right because they are universal values and it is self evident that they are morally right. We don't need to "say we are right" to make those values morally right. It doesn't matter who says 2+2=4 to make it true.
Tell me how in the 21st century Christians use terrorism to "impose their values," or which Christian values are morally worse than those Islamic ones I described above.
By: poonhound
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Have you ever read the bible? Okay, I admit, I haven't. But I have read numerous quotes. I seem to remember that somewhere in the bible that adultery is punishable by stoning, and slavery is okay, and women should submit to men.
Sounds a little like Sharia law, doesn't it?
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness a Judeo/Christian value? BULLSHIT. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness ONLY if you follow my Christian dogma you mean.
Typical right-winger. Except for the fact that you identify yourself as someone who can't get enough pussy.
Maybe you should change your alias. Your right wing pals might disapprove. Your alias sounds like you are a "godless liberal"
Sounds a little like Sharia law, doesn't it?
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness a Judeo/Christian value? BULLSHIT. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness ONLY if you follow my Christian dogma you mean.
Typical right-winger. Except for the fact that you identify yourself as someone who can't get enough pussy.
Maybe you should change your alias. Your right wing pals might disapprove. Your alias sounds like you are a "godless liberal"
By: Crabjuice
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Jesus stood in front of stones while Mohammad threw them. When Christ was asked what commandments from the Torah were the most important, he said only two: Love your neighbor and love God. One of the reasons why he was persecuted was because he challenged orthodox mosaic law.
Since the Romans burned the temple 2000 years ago, the Diaspora of Jews re-evaluated what it meant to have a covenant with God when they had no nation and could not enforce mosaic law. Judasim has changed significantly since ancient times which is why Israel today is one of the most liberal societies in the world.
Mohammad called for the return of those laws because he was backward. He regressed religion. Nearly very Islamic state follows these archaine laws. None of them are practiced in America or Israel. When people try to enforce them here, they are persecuted, not supported.
You are not oppressed. Get over it. You are not a victim and Christian fundamentalists are not persecuting you.
To quote the liberal, gay activist Bruce Bower: "Pat Robertson simply wanted the government to not recognize my relationship as marraige. The Imams of Iran wanted to drop a stone wall on me."
Since the Romans burned the temple 2000 years ago, the Diaspora of Jews re-evaluated what it meant to have a covenant with God when they had no nation and could not enforce mosaic law. Judasim has changed significantly since ancient times which is why Israel today is one of the most liberal societies in the world.
Mohammad called for the return of those laws because he was backward. He regressed religion. Nearly very Islamic state follows these archaine laws. None of them are practiced in America or Israel. When people try to enforce them here, they are persecuted, not supported.
You are not oppressed. Get over it. You are not a victim and Christian fundamentalists are not persecuting you.
To quote the liberal, gay activist Bruce Bower: "Pat Robertson simply wanted the government to not recognize my relationship as marraige. The Imams of Iran wanted to drop a stone wall on me."
By: poonhound
Re: Orwell Rolls in His Grave
I don't see that religion enters into this at all except where it's being used as a tool to further brainwash people. The focus on Islam, while relevant to the middle east, is just the latest carrot being dangled in our view to keep that view from wandering. However, our media isn't entirely worthless. I just watched Ted Koppel's expose on the prison system in California. It was very good journalism. Corporate media supports their own money and power more than any given party. They influence elections in both parties. They have stolen our political system and are selling a semblance of it back to us.
By: Hummm
Re: Orwell Rolls in His Grave
Interesting, but your source is just as biased as this documentary. You sound just like every other ideologist. Its always all the other sides fault. I don't trust the government regardless of who's in power.
Oh, and by the way, global corporatism can be just as fascist as national socialism.
Oh, and by the way, global corporatism can be just as fascist as national socialism.
By: Crabjuice
Re: Orwell Rolls in His Grave
Of course the Muslim brotherhood is biassed!! What the hell are you expecting? You don't believe them when they say what motivates them?
Or were you talking obout Frontpagemag, which merely published a translation from a french media agency, which was also found in an Egyptian Islamic magazine called, "Al-Mussawar" If so, you are just being foolish. The document was also discoverred by authorities during a anti-terrorist raid in Switzerland in 2001.
Capitalism, by nature, is not fascist because you can choose not to buy what corporations are selling, and they cannot force you to work for them.
Or were you talking obout Frontpagemag, which merely published a translation from a french media agency, which was also found in an Egyptian Islamic magazine called, "Al-Mussawar" If so, you are just being foolish. The document was also discoverred by authorities during a anti-terrorist raid in Switzerland in 2001.
Capitalism, by nature, is not fascist because you can choose not to buy what corporations are selling, and they cannot force you to work for them.
By: poonhound
Re: Orwell Rolls in His Grave
Yes, I am talking about Frontpagemag, which is extremely right-wing. Extremely. Anyone who publishes Anne Coulter has no credibility with me. So what if one Egyptian magazine publishes some loony ideal. There are plenty of loonies , right and left, right here in the good ole' USA, publishing similar bullshit. Thankfully, so far, moderates prevail.
Capitalism can become fascist.
If there is nothing but a few corporations to buy from, and nothing but a few corporations to work for, then yes, it can be fascist. Do you want an example of limited choice in a capitalist society? Clear Channel is the first example that comes to my mind. Sure, they cannot force you to work for them but if only a few corporations end up being left, what choice would you have? Work for corporate and feed your family, or stand by your ideals and starve? In my opinion, Capitalism is
one of the best systems but its far from perfect as right wingers would have you believe.
Capitalism can become fascist.
If there is nothing but a few corporations to buy from, and nothing but a few corporations to work for, then yes, it can be fascist. Do you want an example of limited choice in a capitalist society? Clear Channel is the first example that comes to my mind. Sure, they cannot force you to work for them but if only a few corporations end up being left, what choice would you have? Work for corporate and feed your family, or stand by your ideals and starve? In my opinion, Capitalism is
one of the best systems but its far from perfect as right wingers would have you believe.
By: Crabjuice
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"...ostensible diversity concealing actual uniformity...
By: keyser_soze
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"George Orwell was a conservative and hated political leftists."
This is hardly a straightforward truth. He f**king fought in the Spanish Civil War on the side of the Anarchists. The betrayal of the (Stalinist) Communists against their allies (the Anarchists and the non-aligned Communists) was where he acquired his hatred of *totalitarianism.*
He was a complicated and brave man who earned a complex view of the world.
Not some knee-jerk corporate apologist, like most Fox News fans.
Orwell still has relevance to today's world among thinking people of a wide political spectrum because his fundamental fight was against the use of ideology in the service of the state.
Using Orwell to justify your Fox News spoon-fed, paranoid, corporate-lackey viewpoint is just short of obscene.
This is hardly a straightforward truth. He f**king fought in the Spanish Civil War on the side of the Anarchists. The betrayal of the (Stalinist) Communists against their allies (the Anarchists and the non-aligned Communists) was where he acquired his hatred of *totalitarianism.*
He was a complicated and brave man who earned a complex view of the world.
Not some knee-jerk corporate apologist, like most Fox News fans.
Orwell still has relevance to today's world among thinking people of a wide political spectrum because his fundamental fight was against the use of ideology in the service of the state.
Using Orwell to justify your Fox News spoon-fed, paranoid, corporate-lackey viewpoint is just short of obscene.
By: StrangeAttractor
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I'm sorry, but all of these documentaries won't help you.
Americans have proved over the last few years that they have failed to keep their own government, or even elect a proper one, in check and any number of "chilling" documentaries won't help you grow some balls and take action against your true, domestic, white-washed "family men" you call your leaders. You're part of a sorry excuse for a modern nation and it is your duty as citizens to do something about it. And no, writing angry rants on your blogs no one reads is not enough.
You're descendants from Europeans, who know how to topple governments. At what time was that knowledge and bravery lost?
Americans have proved over the last few years that they have failed to keep their own government, or even elect a proper one, in check and any number of "chilling" documentaries won't help you grow some balls and take action against your true, domestic, white-washed "family men" you call your leaders. You're part of a sorry excuse for a modern nation and it is your duty as citizens to do something about it. And no, writing angry rants on your blogs no one reads is not enough.
You're descendants from Europeans, who know how to topple governments. At what time was that knowledge and bravery lost?
By: gimpfarfar
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I second that notion, and further it with a fairly different one. You can argue religious ideals all you want, but what lies at the heart of all of our issues is that the only prevalent social structures in this modern world still rely on patriarchal values of domination, control, and persecution. Whether it be totalitarianism, capitalism, or socialism, we will inevitably be hampered by greed and a need to crush those different than ourselves, all under the disguise of whatever the majority deems right, the leader deems right, the church deems right, etc. It sounds horribly cliche, but until love, creativity, and nurturing become the primary values for humans as a whole, we are doomed to struggle against one another and bring about more hate and misery.
"The feminine values are the fountain of bliss. Know the masculine, Keep to the feminine." - Lao Tzu
"The feminine values are the fountain of bliss. Know the masculine, Keep to the feminine." - Lao Tzu
By: _the_Sisko_
