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Top Gear goes to Germany to take a look at a prototype hydrogen powered car made by and American company.
Jun 1, 2007 12:09 AM
Re: Top Gear: Hydrogen Powered Car
Protoype costs 5 mil! Too expensive to ever go to mass-production.
No batteries? Why not?
Produces so much electricity to power half a street? Too much.
Hydrogen is made out of oil.
The bottom line is that this car is a joke.
Watch: "Who killed the Electric Car?"
Electric cars are not wanted because they could replace oil based motorization already, which Hydrogen-based cars can not at the moment or in the far future.
5 - Whatever... you can see these kind of publicity alibi prototypes of the automobile industry every five years.
No batteries? Why not?
Produces so much electricity to power half a street? Too much.
Hydrogen is made out of oil.
The bottom line is that this car is a joke.
Watch: "Who killed the Electric Car?"
Electric cars are not wanted because they could replace oil based motorization already, which Hydrogen-based cars can not at the moment or in the far future.
5 - Whatever... you can see these kind of publicity alibi prototypes of the automobile industry every five years.
By: Ting_Ting_Jahe
Re: Top Gear: Hydrogen Powered Car
"you can see these kind of publicity alibi prototypes of the automobile industry every five years."
I agree. Constantly you'll see adds where "This is the next big anti-pollutant! the world is saved!" But it never amounts to anything that meets the market.
I agree. Constantly you'll see adds where "This is the next big anti-pollutant! the world is saved!" But it never amounts to anything that meets the market.
By: RookCook
Re: Top Gear: Hydrogen Powered Car
"Hydrogen is made out of oil."
What are you talking about? You get hydrogen by combining electricity and water. Where you get the electricity can vary, but it's going to be from exactly the same sources you would use to charge the batteries of an electric car.
From what I've read, the power-plant-to-wheel efficiency of a hydrogen car might only be 22%. A battery car could achieve as high as 66%. Electric cars win here.
However, the short range and long recharging times of electric cars make them impractical. This might eventually get better, but hydrogen technology seems to have the edge in practicality.
What are you talking about? You get hydrogen by combining electricity and water. Where you get the electricity can vary, but it's going to be from exactly the same sources you would use to charge the batteries of an electric car.
From what I've read, the power-plant-to-wheel efficiency of a hydrogen car might only be 22%. A battery car could achieve as high as 66%. Electric cars win here.
However, the short range and long recharging times of electric cars make them impractical. This might eventually get better, but hydrogen technology seems to have the edge in practicality.
Re: Top Gear: Hydrogen Powered Car
The vast majority of industrial hydrogen is created out of oil during the refinery process and from by-products produced there.
Hydrogen can be prepared in several different ways but the economically most important processes involve removal of hydrogen from hydrocarbons. In other words from oil products.
Hydrogen can be prepared in several different ways but the economically most important processes involve removal of hydrogen from hydrocarbons. In other words from oil products.
By: Ting_Ting_Jahe
Re: Top Gear: Hydrogen Powered Car
I forgot the source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen#Industrial_syntheses
By: Ting_Ting_Jahe
Re: Top Gear: Hydrogen Powered Car
Also, the car is 1 of 1, putting the price at $5 million since all the costs of researching and building the technologies are lumped in to the price of the vehicle. If they build even just one more car the worth of the car would now be just over 2.5 million.
Take Tylenol for any headaches, Midol for any cramps.
Take Tylenol for any headaches, Midol for any cramps.
By: Topp
Re: Top Gear: Hydrogen Powered Car
It's NOT only the reasearch, but the hydrogen tanks and the material and produtcion of the parts is much more expensive than those for an ordinary battery powered electric cars.
The bottom line is that the car companies neither want hydrogen cars nor battery powered cars. They want to sell combustion engine powered cars as long as they can.
The bottom line is that the car companies neither want hydrogen cars nor battery powered cars. They want to sell combustion engine powered cars as long as they can.
By: Ting_Ting_Jahe
Re: Top Gear: Hydrogen Powered Car
I know, BUT my point is that making hydrogen out of oil is cheaper than making it out of water using electricity!
That's how it is today, and that's how's it going to be for a long time. Except the price of oil will be so high that it makes every other energy source cheaper.
Maybe it happens in 10 years or maybe in 50.
But using electricity out of the socket right away as an energy source for e-cars is the most doable thing at the moment. Hydrogen cars are not realistic because of the way out energy market is working and because storing electricity in a rechargable battery is more efficient.
Got it?
That's how it is today, and that's how's it going to be for a long time. Except the price of oil will be so high that it makes every other energy source cheaper.
Maybe it happens in 10 years or maybe in 50.
But using electricity out of the socket right away as an energy source for e-cars is the most doable thing at the moment. Hydrogen cars are not realistic because of the way out energy market is working and because storing electricity in a rechargable battery is more efficient.
Got it?
By: Ting_Ting_Jahe
Re: Top Gear: Hydrogen Powered Car
Did you even watch the video?
My guess is that you watched that stupid "who killed the electric car?" video and you added another layer to your tinfoil hat while hastily running to wikipedia for some hydrogen information.
Please watch the video again with sound and maybe you'll understand it's a zero emissions prototype that is pushing the technology that would allow for a practical model to be built in about 20 years.
My guess is that you watched that stupid "who killed the electric car?" video and you added another layer to your tinfoil hat while hastily running to wikipedia for some hydrogen information.
Please watch the video again with sound and maybe you'll understand it's a zero emissions prototype that is pushing the technology that would allow for a practical model to be built in about 20 years.
By: Topp
Re: Top Gear: Hydrogen Powered Car
Every energy source has its problems. Lead-acid batteries eventually have to be disposed of. Where? And how does the electricity that runs these cars get produced? By burning fossil fuels.
I'm convinced that the electric car is worse environmentally than those that burn hydrocarbons. And I'm no friend of the oil industry.
Ethanol does burn cleaner than diesel or gasoline but the fumes emitted during fermentation are what? CO2. Tons and tons of it are produced that no one is talking about.
Sorry, we can't solve our problems by sweeping dirt under the rug.
I'm convinced that the electric car is worse environmentally than those that burn hydrocarbons. And I'm no friend of the oil industry.
Ethanol does burn cleaner than diesel or gasoline but the fumes emitted during fermentation are what? CO2. Tons and tons of it are produced that no one is talking about.
Sorry, we can't solve our problems by sweeping dirt under the rug.
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