Christian Propaganda: The Rock Solid Bible
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Insidiously subtle, a remarkably well crafted indoctrination video.
Jul 16, 2012 8:59 PM
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In the interest of objectivity, I should say up front that I changed the title and description. Context is everything, and this wasn't presented as propaganda on the creator's site, as should be obvious. I framed this in the way that I view it to make clear my feeling about the video.
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Soulpatch is a bona fide idiot. The core message of this piece is, "the Bible might be a poorly written, incoherent piece of trash, but it's really, really good because it's just so incompatible with modern ethical standards and emerging norms of human decency."
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I wonder how many different types of cloth his shirt is made from...
By: deiviant
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I had a long, overdue talk with my sister last week about why I left the church of our parents. I gave it to her straight, but it just made me sad to think of the happy, security blanket life she's built around like-minded people who share, affirm, and reward her magical thinking. Having gone through it myself, I really didn't want to take that away from her.
But I wasn't going to lie, either.
I told her about Jesus stories that were older than Jesus, about King James and his reasons for retranslating the Bible she reads, about propaganda, group dynamics, and indoctrination, about how even her particular Baptist sect one of many branches that disagree on the formula for salvation, about other gods now and in the past that other people believe exist just as fervently as she believes in hers, and so on and so forth. All of it was new to her, which wasn't a surprise to me.
She asked me about it when I called her for her birthday. She's now 30. That is a surprise to me.
Life is so short.
But I wasn't going to lie, either.
I told her about Jesus stories that were older than Jesus, about King James and his reasons for retranslating the Bible she reads, about propaganda, group dynamics, and indoctrination, about how even her particular Baptist sect one of many branches that disagree on the formula for salvation, about other gods now and in the past that other people believe exist just as fervently as she believes in hers, and so on and so forth. All of it was new to her, which wasn't a surprise to me.
She asked me about it when I called her for her birthday. She's now 30. That is a surprise to me.
Life is so short.
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Seems like you had a pretty long talk. Even considering that she's your sibling, it's somewhat surprising to me that she stuck around to let you say all that stuff. Maybe she didn't make it as easy for you as I'm imagining, but from what I can gather she's not exactly battle-tested. More like completely naive. Which would make me pretty naive as well, since it really amazes me. Ignorance (self-imposed or other) doesn't surprise me. It's the nakedness of it that seems incompatible with America in the year 2012.
By: wadadde
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She only made it easy for me by trying to defend her beliefs with responses like "the Bible says," "it's true because I can feel the power of the words as I read them," "if I was born in Afghanistan, that's the role of good missionaries to bring them the word of Christ," and so on. To her credit though, she did hear me out and didn't hang up on me. Though I tried to be respectful, it's hard to lay out the reasons for why you think religion is BS without sounding condescending, which is why a direct conversation has been avoided for 20 years. Not sure if I succeeded. I keep waiting for the new familial fallout from her relaying her filtered memory of the conversation to her husband and other relatives. Shitty.
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Oh, the standard stuff. Pity.
Want to hear a funny story? Probably told it once before. I'm not sure.
Anyway, I let my literally cult-level religious aunt give me an emergency baptism a few years ago. Did it just to make her happy and she's aware of that fact. She currently believes I'm just going to end up in purgatory for some time, as opposed to hell for all eternity.
She had tried to secretly do it when I was just a baby (over the objections of my parents), but my father caught her red-handed and forbade her from trying that shit again. First generation atheist versus first generation Christian cult member. Trying to visualize that scene... wow, it's just too absurd. Cracks me up every single time :D
My parents had to fight almost the entire family not to interfere with my upbringing. Times have changed, though. Despite their upbringing, none of my nephews and nieces are religious. Aunts and uncles pretty much all completely dropped their beliefs as well.
Want to hear a funny story? Probably told it once before. I'm not sure.
Anyway, I let my literally cult-level religious aunt give me an emergency baptism a few years ago. Did it just to make her happy and she's aware of that fact. She currently believes I'm just going to end up in purgatory for some time, as opposed to hell for all eternity.
She had tried to secretly do it when I was just a baby (over the objections of my parents), but my father caught her red-handed and forbade her from trying that shit again. First generation atheist versus first generation Christian cult member. Trying to visualize that scene... wow, it's just too absurd. Cracks me up every single time :D
My parents had to fight almost the entire family not to interfere with my upbringing. Times have changed, though. Despite their upbringing, none of my nephews and nieces are religious. Aunts and uncles pretty much all completely dropped their beliefs as well.
By: wadadde
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Wow, how amazingly nice of you. I toast your kindness to your aunt.
No purgatory for Baptists. I've committed the one unforgivable sin of denying the existence of God, and am thusly doomed to a scary, fiery pit forever. It'd be better if I was a mass murderer.
I must be weak. The Devil got me.
No purgatory for Baptists. I've committed the one unforgivable sin of denying the existence of God, and am thusly doomed to a scary, fiery pit forever. It'd be better if I was a mass murderer.
I must be weak. The Devil got me.
