Richard Dawkins: Absolute Morality

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Richard Dawkins: Absolute Morality
March 8, 2010 on ABC (Australia)
Feb 3, 2012 10:49 AM
Re: Richard Dawkins: Absolute Morality
Common sense. Look at that smirk on the face of the (assumed) religious dude, and watch with glee as you imagine the smirk disappear slowly, as Dawkins rolls inexorably over what the dude thought was so clever.

Amen!
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Dawkins took off his glasses. Take cover!
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Yay Richard!
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Would professor dawkins say that it is absolutely wrong to stone a woman for committing adultery? I sure as hell would. Maybe Athiests can find an absolute morality afterall, because if there is no absolute morality then there can be no such thing as universal human rights.
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You're confused, I guess.

Rights aren't natural things.

Absolute morality would be a natural thing, if it existed. Morality is a social construct. If we believe that the objective of morality is to promote the well-being of (populations and) individuals, then there may well be cases where it is perceived to be moral to do horrendous things. "Thou shalt not kill" is clearly an immoral (harmful) restriction in certain cases. Whether one chooses to call the vast majority of killings "immoral" or "absolutely immoral" is simply semantics.

Just to be clear, a dictator can impose universal human rights. Not everyone is required to agree that it's a good idea for that dictator to do so.

Also, I do believe that killing someone for adultery is/was always wrong, but not that it's necessarily absurd for ordinary people to believe in the value or decency of such an act.

"Do you think adultery ought to be punishable by death?". Why is it that a majority in Spain would say "no", while a majority of a certain tribe in Brazil, or a majority in some desert country might say "yes"? You cannot arrive at a somewhat serious answer without really exploring the value, both perceived and quantifiable, of things like monogamy to partners, their children, the family and society at large... Morality is an, at times impossible, balancing act centered around emotion, personal experience/ignorance, shared wisdom/idiocy, empathy and intelligence. Not only that, but a moral judgment always takes place in a social reality, which appears very real and natural. In certain settings doing the most moral thing requires you to become a moral deviant. In a society which rejects moral absolutes, while still recognizing the importance of shared ideas centered around wellbeing, individuals don't need to adopt the psychology of moral deviants/prophets to get to a place where reason trumps custom. It also allows for ideas to be rationally discussed. It's not hard to imagine the benefits...

Basically Dawkins is spot-on. He didn't talk about the core beliefs one can adopt to guarantee that one will always think and/or act morally. It just doesn't work that way. We weren't designed, let alone designed with a "good switch" or a "truth switch".
By: wadadde
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"Thou shalt not kill" is clearly an immoral (harmful) restriction in certain cases.

says you.

By: poonhound
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;)
By: poonhound
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Lord Megatron, shout this guy with your arm cannon.
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I like Dawkins. I like that some people in this world can understand that we don't all come from the same chicken, that we don't all like the same variety of potato.

That in some places it's normal for a 13 year old girl to be married off to a 40 year old man. That in the society I was raised in if a 40 year old man came near a hypothetical 13 year old daughter of mine, I have no doubt my motherly instinct would be to kill him. At least to remove his bits.

As intelligent and evolved as we are, we are apart of nature as much as the Lions - and nature doesn't give a fuck about morals, from either side, ever.

I honestly do not care if people want to raise themselves above the rest of the animal kingdom, but I don't know if I really want them around. They would tend to believe they were absolutely right, absolutely moral...and think it's their "god given right" to punish the rest of us accordingly.

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