Hedges: No Way in US to Vote Against Banks
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Between Occupy Wall Street, in New York, and the other cities it's spread to, as well as the October 2011 movement that just began here in D.C, something seems to be happening in this country. Earlier at Freedom Plaza Chris Hedges, Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter and author, tells us what this could lead to.
Oct 9, 2011 3:34 PM
Re: Hedges: No Way in US to Vote Against Banks
Everything this guy said is horseshit.
Don't want to do business with a bank, don't. Vote with your DOLLAR jagoff.
Ever heard of a credit union ?
Ever heard of saving your own money and then buying outright ?
This guy, is a wholly owned subsidiary of Classism Inc. I find his learned helplessness sadly amusing :)
Don't want to do business with a bank, don't. Vote with your DOLLAR jagoff.
Ever heard of a credit union ?
Ever heard of saving your own money and then buying outright ?
This guy, is a wholly owned subsidiary of Classism Inc. I find his learned helplessness sadly amusing :)
By: Voidwar
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In case you haven't noticed, the middle class is shrinking, real wages have fallen, unemployment is around 11%, and the minimum wage is pretty much worthless, especially if you're trying to support a family.
This guy might come off a little strong, but pretty much everything he said was true. Our government and its two parties are controlled by and large by corporations and special interests. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, no matter how you look at them, are nowhere near worth the cost we are paying.
Yes, it is class warfare, but we didn't start this. The rich and their corporations have been killing the "American Dream" and the middle class for decades now, doing everything they can to weaken regulations and control the political system. It's about time we fought back.
This guy might come off a little strong, but pretty much everything he said was true. Our government and its two parties are controlled by and large by corporations and special interests. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, no matter how you look at them, are nowhere near worth the cost we are paying.
Yes, it is class warfare, but we didn't start this. The rich and their corporations have been killing the "American Dream" and the middle class for decades now, doing everything they can to weaken regulations and control the political system. It's about time we fought back.
By: chronomitch
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Yes, you did start this.
When one person envies another, they are the instigator. When they let that envy lead them into using government force to steal, they become thieves.
You know how I know you started it ? Because those you envy, were already busy getting money. They were already bankin, when you started your envying.
When one person envies another, they are the instigator. When they let that envy lead them into using government force to steal, they become thieves.
You know how I know you started it ? Because those you envy, were already busy getting money. They were already bankin, when you started your envying.
By: Voidwar
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?"Entire ignorance is not so terrible or extreme an evil, and is far from being the greatest of all; too much cleverness and too much learning, accompanied with ill bringing-up, are far more fatal."
- Plato
- Plato
By: chawx
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I love how you blatantly ignore how corporate America has been "using government force to steal" for decades in the form of reduced regulations, tax breaks, tax loopholes, bailouts, and subsidies.
But hey, when they do it, it's fine, isn't it?
Let me make this simple for you. If the middle class wasn't shrinking and decent-paying jobs were readily available (i.e. ones that can actually support a family and provide the hope of a better future for the children), no one would give a damn how wide the wealth gap was.
But hey, when they do it, it's fine, isn't it?
Let me make this simple for you. If the middle class wasn't shrinking and decent-paying jobs were readily available (i.e. ones that can actually support a family and provide the hope of a better future for the children), no one would give a damn how wide the wealth gap was.
By: chronomitch
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Perhaps you do not understand the term "force".
I am not forced to buy one thing from corporations.
I am forced to pay taxes.
Voluntary trade, as opposed to armed taking. If you don't see the difference, then your communism is terminal.
I am not forced to buy one thing from corporations.
I am forced to pay taxes.
Voluntary trade, as opposed to armed taking. If you don't see the difference, then your communism is terminal.
By: Voidwar
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When the corporations are virtual or outright monopolies, control the government and political system, and do everything they can to destroy competition and raise barriers to entry, then yes, you are forced to buy from them.
By: chronomitch
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None of your vague crying actually involved FORCE.
Last I checked, it was VOTES that decided elections.
Last I checked, it was VOTES that decided elections.
By: Voidwar
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YES! Void's back! The same anger, the same wholesale dismissal...
...wait a second, it's the same everything. This is like a carbon-copy of a dozen of your earlier comments:
1) Attack non-Con attitudes;
2) Accuse them of being bought or owned (which you seem to believe is the only way people get opinions);
3) Set yourself up as oh-so-wiser.
This isn't commenting, it's programming! Guys, look this up - I kid you not, it's the SAME STATEMENT this guys always starts his contrarian noise with. Wash, rinse, repost.
...wait a second, it's the same everything. This is like a carbon-copy of a dozen of your earlier comments:
1) Attack non-Con attitudes;
2) Accuse them of being bought or owned (which you seem to believe is the only way people get opinions);
3) Set yourself up as oh-so-wiser.
This isn't commenting, it's programming! Guys, look this up - I kid you not, it's the SAME STATEMENT this guys always starts his contrarian noise with. Wash, rinse, repost.
By: SpyPlaneX1
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Nice Ad Hom.
So, SpyPlane . . .
Do you have a RIGHT to borrow money ?
So, SpyPlane . . .
Do you have a RIGHT to borrow money ?
By: Voidwar
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English is not my first language, and this will be my first time to try relatively old term that I have never tried before. Can you please let me know I it would be suitable to use word “trolling “to describe your intentions?
By: flopnik
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Putting money in a credit union doesn't do much to explain the crisis we're in.
Saving money won't do much to un-corrupt a government that's in bed with the hedge funds. Paying in cash won't un-kill the 4,000 + americans killed in two decades of war.
Class warfare began three or more decades ago, now that you've learned to use the term, it's a bit like calling affirmative action...racist.
Saving money won't do much to un-corrupt a government that's in bed with the hedge funds. Paying in cash won't un-kill the 4,000 + americans killed in two decades of war.
Class warfare began three or more decades ago, now that you've learned to use the term, it's a bit like calling affirmative action...racist.
By: Limestone
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If you need banking services, and you would like them non-profit, then the free way to go is as credit union. Credit unions aren't for explaining things.
The crisis we are in came from Barney Frank telling Banks who to loan to. He tried to make them eat a bunch of no good loans, and they spun them into derivitives, and then made Barney's government pay for the free lunch Barney was sellin.
If you save money, then you will have a pile of it and you can pay for item X in cash.
The Muslims killed those lost in the Wars, and stomping the ass of a religion that attacks you, is not optional spending for a nation state.
Class Warfare has been a dirty political trick since the days of Rome if not before . . . and guess what, AA is racist.
The crisis we are in came from Barney Frank telling Banks who to loan to. He tried to make them eat a bunch of no good loans, and they spun them into derivitives, and then made Barney's government pay for the free lunch Barney was sellin.
If you save money, then you will have a pile of it and you can pay for item X in cash.
The Muslims killed those lost in the Wars, and stomping the ass of a religion that attacks you, is not optional spending for a nation state.
Class Warfare has been a dirty political trick since the days of Rome if not before . . . and guess what, AA is racist.
By: Voidwar
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http://www.milkandcookies.com/user/Voidwar/comments/
Here's the synopsis:
Current right-wing American notions of property rights trump all other economic considerations, and also override public opinion on how to organize a society. (Jist 'cuz, that's why.)
Taxation is a form of theft, especially when enacted through the ballot box. Wealth concentration is good for us all, and anyone who disagrees is motivated by envy.
Gay marriage is an impossible concept, and therefore must be vigorously stamped out of actual existence. Since it's impossible, it cannot be tolerated in the real world.
The United States federal government gives financial and military support to Arab dictators and kleptocrats, therefore America supports muslims. (Before the Arab Spring got in the way, that is.)
Issuing a troll alert by pointing out someone's record of antisocial posting behavior is an error in logic known as the "ad hominem" fallacy.
Asserting that everything someone says is bullshit, and then supporting that assertion by calling him a wholly owned subsidiary of Classism, Inc., is a logical masterstroke.
Here's the synopsis:
Current right-wing American notions of property rights trump all other economic considerations, and also override public opinion on how to organize a society. (Jist 'cuz, that's why.)
Taxation is a form of theft, especially when enacted through the ballot box. Wealth concentration is good for us all, and anyone who disagrees is motivated by envy.
Gay marriage is an impossible concept, and therefore must be vigorously stamped out of actual existence. Since it's impossible, it cannot be tolerated in the real world.
The United States federal government gives financial and military support to Arab dictators and kleptocrats, therefore America supports muslims. (Before the Arab Spring got in the way, that is.)
Issuing a troll alert by pointing out someone's record of antisocial posting behavior is an error in logic known as the "ad hominem" fallacy.
Asserting that everything someone says is bullshit, and then supporting that assertion by calling him a wholly owned subsidiary of Classism, Inc., is a logical masterstroke.
Re: Hedges: No Way in US to Vote Against Banks
There is no such thing as other "economic considerations". Economic = property rights and trade.
Taxing the rich to spend on the poor is theft. Other people's wealth , is their business, or didn't your mother explain manners to you ?
Weddings, have a bride, who is a girl, and a groom, who is a boy. Two gay fellers, and their condo and their Shar Peis, is not a marriage.
America deals with the dick in charge.
loqi has an axe to grind with me, but he has lost so much and so often, and it has been ground down so much, that it now looks like Andy Dufresne's rock hammer.
Everything the man says IS bullshit, because you have NO right to borrow. I didn't ask spyplane that question for no reason loqi, I asked him because the answer undoes what the man in the video is saying.
Taxing the rich to spend on the poor is theft. Other people's wealth , is their business, or didn't your mother explain manners to you ?
Weddings, have a bride, who is a girl, and a groom, who is a boy. Two gay fellers, and their condo and their Shar Peis, is not a marriage.
America deals with the dick in charge.
loqi has an axe to grind with me, but he has lost so much and so often, and it has been ground down so much, that it now looks like Andy Dufresne's rock hammer.
Everything the man says IS bullshit, because you have NO right to borrow. I didn't ask spyplane that question for no reason loqi, I asked him because the answer undoes what the man in the video is saying.
By: Voidwar
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Are you still talking?
Time to shut up, nitwit.
Time to shut up, nitwit.
By: wadadde
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You have a personality disorder.
You are beyond reason.
You are beyond reason.
By: Stono
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If you hate this place so much, why do you keep coming back?
By: spam_vigilante
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I enjoy this place Spam.
Lots of the videos I only find here are quite entertaining.
I also find it quite enjoyable to logically destroy these pseudo-intellectual classist / communist videos and then listen to a bunch of commie cheerleaders ad hom me.
Winning here, winning there, winning everywhere :)
Lots of the videos I only find here are quite entertaining.
I also find it quite enjoyable to logically destroy these pseudo-intellectual classist / communist videos and then listen to a bunch of commie cheerleaders ad hom me.
Winning here, winning there, winning everywhere :)
By: Voidwar
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You're winning just about as much as Charlie Sheen.
And who exactly is ad-homing here? We have continually bring up valid points against your argument, and your only response has been to ignore them and call us communists - which we aren't btw.
And who exactly is ad-homing here? We have continually bring up valid points against your argument, and your only response has been to ignore them and call us communists - which we aren't btw.
By: chronomitch
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Are you serious Chronomitch ?
Who has answered my question ONCE ?
Do you have a RIGHT to borrow money ?
Not one commie commentor here has addressed MY argument from the start.
Who has answered my question ONCE ?
Do you have a RIGHT to borrow money ?
Not one commie commentor here has addressed MY argument from the start.
By: Voidwar
Re: Hedges: No Way in US to Vote Against Banks
To explicitly answer your question: Why, no, Voidwar, people do not have a right to borrow. However, if at some point, we as a society decide borrowing is a human right, then at that time, we will be a right to borrow.
So Voidwar... At no time did Hedges or anyone else in this video, or comments say anything about a right to borrow. But by all means, feel free to rip that strawman a new hay-hole. It's like watching a kitten take down a paper bag -- a very screechy, slow-moving, butt-ugly kitten with poo-encrusted toes.
So Voidwar... At no time did Hedges or anyone else in this video, or comments say anything about a right to borrow. But by all means, feel free to rip that strawman a new hay-hole. It's like watching a kitten take down a paper bag -- a very screechy, slow-moving, butt-ugly kitten with poo-encrusted toes.
Re: Hedges: No Way in US to Vote Against Banks
Decide borrowing is a human right ?
How will you get that past the original owner's fourth and fifth ?
Your proposal is silly on its face.
So, since you now understand that there is no right to borrow, then you probably realize that if you want to vote, about what a bank does, you will need to buy shares of the bank enough so that you are a voting board member. That is the ONE LEGAL WAY to get what the man in the OP wants acc'd to the headline.
So, the guy in the video, is telling a falsehood. There is a way to vote about what a bank does, and you have to buy significant shares in the bank to do so. Or, start your own bank / credit union, if you think your ideas are better than theirs.
How will you get that past the original owner's fourth and fifth ?
Your proposal is silly on its face.
So, since you now understand that there is no right to borrow, then you probably realize that if you want to vote, about what a bank does, you will need to buy shares of the bank enough so that you are a voting board member. That is the ONE LEGAL WAY to get what the man in the OP wants acc'd to the headline.
So, the guy in the video, is telling a falsehood. There is a way to vote about what a bank does, and you have to buy significant shares in the bank to do so. Or, start your own bank / credit union, if you think your ideas are better than theirs.
By: Voidwar
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Having reviewed the thread Chronomitch, I must say that your initial point, did not really have anything to do with my point.
If you want the middle class to have more money, then go get a huge pile of money, legally, and then run a great big company where you pay everyone more than market value for their efforts. Be a hero with your own money, and leave other people's the hell alone. You admitted its classism, and from there forward, you should know you are in the wrong. Robin Hood was a thief.
If you want the middle class to have more money, then go get a huge pile of money, legally, and then run a great big company where you pay everyone more than market value for their efforts. Be a hero with your own money, and leave other people's the hell alone. You admitted its classism, and from there forward, you should know you are in the wrong. Robin Hood was a thief.
By: Voidwar
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> "If you want the middle class to have more money, then go get a huge pile of money, and then [bla bla bla]"
Do you even listen to yourself, Void?
> "Robin Hood was a thief."
Yeah. By royal proclamation, Sherwood forest is under the King's Forest Law. Any commoner was a thief for living in a house made of wood, or for eating game meat. Just like the participants of the Boston Tea Party were thieves for dumping that corporate cargo overboard without buying it first. And the Founding Fathers of the United States were thieves for declaring independence from the British Crown. And the French revolutionaries were thieves for seizing their country from the monarchy in splattery style.
Class warfare? Yeah, Voidwar, that's pretty much the point.
Do you even listen to yourself, Void?
> "Robin Hood was a thief."
Yeah. By royal proclamation, Sherwood forest is under the King's Forest Law. Any commoner was a thief for living in a house made of wood, or for eating game meat. Just like the participants of the Boston Tea Party were thieves for dumping that corporate cargo overboard without buying it first. And the Founding Fathers of the United States were thieves for declaring independence from the British Crown. And the French revolutionaries were thieves for seizing their country from the monarchy in splattery style.
Class warfare? Yeah, Voidwar, that's pretty much the point.
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I do listen to myself.
Do you listen to yourself ?
Do you have a point ?
If you want "X", then buy "X" with your own money.
Why is that responsible advice so hard for you to LISTEN to ?
"Yeah. By royal proclamation"
No sir. He was a thief in DEED, and stole property in person. Taking things by force that did not belong to him made him a thief, regardless of what any king might have said.
If class warfare is the point, then I think my class, the one that contains the NRA, should put your class down, and end this war.
Viva la Revolution.
Do you listen to yourself ?
Do you have a point ?
If you want "X", then buy "X" with your own money.
Why is that responsible advice so hard for you to LISTEN to ?
"Yeah. By royal proclamation"
No sir. He was a thief in DEED, and stole property in person. Taking things by force that did not belong to him made him a thief, regardless of what any king might have said.
If class warfare is the point, then I think my class, the one that contains the NRA, should put your class down, and end this war.
Viva la Revolution.
By: Voidwar
