Oh, ByteBaron, is that Clinton's fault like his followers seem to think that everything is?

Actually I've heard Hitler wasn't vegetarian, it's thought that myth was created so he would be viewed as more pure in a guru like way.

I think the history of the words "liberal" and "conservative" are interesting:

Conservatism, a general state of mind that is averse to rapid change and innovation and strives for balance and order, while avoiding extremes. Originally conservatism arose as a reaction against the Age of Enlightenment (see Enlightenment, Age of). Conservatives advocated belief in faith over reason, tradition over free inquiry, hierarchy over equality, collective values over individualism, and divine or natural law over secular law. At a given time in a given society, conservatism emphasizes the merits of the status quo and endorses the prevailing distribution of power, wealth, and social standing. Political conservative thought, however, has reconciled itself with constitutional democracy and individual rights as well as with prudent and orderly social and economic change.
Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2003. © 1993-2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Liberalism, attitude, philosophy, or movement that has as its basic concern the development of personal freedom and social progress. Liberalism and democracy are now usually thought to have common aims, but in the past many liberals considered democracy unhealthy because it encouraged mass participation in politics. Nevertheless, liberalism eventually became identified with movements to change the social order through the further extension of democracy. A distinction must therefore be made between liberalism, in which social change is conceived of as gradual, flexible, and adaptive, and radicalism, in which social change is seen as fundamental and based on new principles of authority.
Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2003. © 1993-2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

Um.. where in the bible does it say that? Prove to me that Jesus would be against abortion...

Although, as a Bhudist, I do agree about the noone knowing the direct truth.. but I'd go so far as to say none of us have a clue...

Yeah also the whole anti-homosexual anti-sodomite thing is in the Old Testament (Torah). That's why Orthodox Jews are also against homosexuality. Jesus, at least according to the Gospels, never gave an opinion on homosexuality. Also, there is nothing in the Gospels equating abortion with murder. In fact, as far as I know, Jews (Jesus was Jewish) are generally alright with abortion. As far as prayer iin public schools go, there weren't public schools in Jesus' time. So it's rather hard to say.

On a different note, I think it rather interesting that you equate Democrat and Republican with Liberal and Conservative when Liberal and Conservative are much broader than that.

yeah well good thing your opinion doesn't mean jackshit to anyone but yourself.

Yes there are in fact those who believe literally in the Bible. Some good words for them can be found here: http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=retarded

But seriously, I don't really care if these people want to bury their heads in the sand and ignore logic, science, and basic thought. It's just when they gain power in the government and start messing my life up. Then it bugs me.

sry I will explain it better:
Since when did believing in God and having moral values make you pro-war, pro-rich, and pro-Republican? And since when did promoting and pursuing a progressive social agenda with a concern for economic security, health care, and educational opportunity mean you had to put faith in God aside?

While the Right in America has hijacked the language of faith to prop up its political agenda -- an agenda not all people of faith support -- the Left hasn't done much better, largely ignoring faith and continually separating moral discourse and personal ethics from public policy. While the Right argues that God's way is their way, the Left pursues an unrealistic separation of religious values from morally grounded political leadership. The consequence is a false choice between ideological religion and soulless politics.

The effect of this dilemma was made clear in the 2004 presidential election. The Democrats' miscalculations have left them despairing and searching for a way forward. It has become clear that someone must challenge the Republicans' claim that they speak for God, or that they hold a monopoly on moral values in the nation's public life. Wallis argues that America's separation of church and state does not require banishing moral and religious values from the public square. In fact, the very survival of America's social fabric depends on such values and vision to shape our politics -- a dependence the nation's founders recognized.

God's Politics offers a clarion call to make both our religious communities and our government more accountable to key values of the prophetic religious tradition -- that is, make them pro-justice, pro-peace, pro-environment, pro-equality, pro-consistent ethic of life (beyond single issue voting), and pro-family (without making scapegoats of single mothers or gays and lesbians). Our biblical faith and religious traditions simply do not allow us as a nation to continue to ignore the poor and marginalized, deny racial justice, tolerate the ravages of war, or turn away from the human rights of those made in the image of God. These are the values of love and justice, reconciliation, and community that Jesus taught and that are at the core of what many of us believe, Christian or not. In the tradition of prophets such as Martin Luther King Jr., Dorothy Day, and Desmond Tutu, Wallis inspires us to hold our political leaders and policies accountable by integrating our deepest moral convictions into our nation's public life.