The Indelible Stamp of Our Lowly Origin
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Planet Earth
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Human Animal
Darwin's Dangerous Idea
Charles Darwin and the Tree of Life
Life of Mammals
National Geographic - Ape Genius
Yann Arthus Bertrand - Home
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What Darwin Didn't Know
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IBM 1401 Processing Unit - J?hann J?hannsson (www.johannjohannsson.com)
Planet Earth
PBS NOVA Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial
Human Animal
Darwin's Dangerous Idea
Charles Darwin and the Tree of Life
Life of Mammals
National Geographic - Ape Genius
Yann Arthus Bertrand - Home
TEDTalks: Susan Savage-Rumbaugh: Apes that write, start fires and play Pac-Man
What Darwin Didn't Know
Quotes:
Mike Huckabee
Ken Ham
David Attenborough
Desmond Morris
Steven Pinker
Kenneth Miller
...and venomfangX and GEERUP
Music:
IBM 1401 Processing Unit - J?hann J?hannsson (www.johannjohannsson.com)
Feb 9, 2010 9:57 AM
Re: The Indelible Stamp of Our Lowly Origin
I couldn't have said it better myself, though I probably would have been more PC about my ape/human comparisons, especially in the beginning. However, subtlety is obviously not these guys' strong suit, and they highlight many excellent points. Nice find, RM.
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Thanks. I thought it was pretty cool.
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This is a great find. Although It is sad to say that though the similarities are quite obvious. There will always be some in their arrogance to blame that on something outside themselves... Nice find again
By: ryzynforce
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the sooner we realise we are not special, but rather a combination of luck and chance, we can remove the shackles of religion, which has not added one iota of good to the world. i ask: give me the empirical evidence of the benefit of religion and of god.
By: ritterkreuz
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"Luck and chance" are what the oppositions of evolution call natural selection, and it's extremely inaccurate.
By: Faffy
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An animal mutates at random, by luck and chance, while the survival or destruction of that animal is natural selection. If you mutate into a slightly deeper green than you cousin by luck or chance, and live in a dark green environment, you don't get eaten by that thing that ate your lighter green cousin. So evolution through natural selection is all about luck and chance, but in kind of the same way Russian roulette is all about luck and chance.
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I agree. But saying "luck and chance" without mentioning natural selection is what caught my eye.
Everything has (or had, but isn't gone yet) a function, and I think that's really interesting. You can look at an animal that has a strange appendage or body shape and you know it serves some purpose.
Everything has (or had, but isn't gone yet) a function, and I think that's really interesting. You can look at an animal that has a strange appendage or body shape and you know it serves some purpose.
By: Faffy
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Not every feature of an organism serves a purpose. That's actually part of how evolution works.
A feature can appear on an organism for no apparent purpose, and just hang around in the descendants, provided there's not much of a viability penalty. Physical features evolve to serve a purpose, but also purposes evolve to utilize existing features.
A feature can appear on an organism for no apparent purpose, and just hang around in the descendants, provided there's not much of a viability penalty. Physical features evolve to serve a purpose, but also purposes evolve to utilize existing features.
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not mentioning natural selection was a slip of the keyboard. natural selection is by its virtue luck of the draw too. sometimes animals or plants survive merely because of chance and not because it was the best or the fastest or whatever. i mean take us humans, we certainly are not the fastest or the best. you take us out of our homes and plant us in the woods and not a heck of a lot of us come out alive. look at our appendix or our incapacity to see light in different spectrums, and you begin to see that not everything serves a purpose.
By: ritterkreuz
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You're right, luck is a huge aspect of natural selection. The fanciest new mutation is lost forever if the wrong sea turtle hatchling gets eaten by a gull while digging out of the sand. Them's the breaks. Evolution works on many faint parallel signals gradually accumulating over many generations in the middle of a raging luck storm.
The appendix is generally assumed be a vestigial structure, like wisdom teeth, ear muscles, and goosebumps. These things are on the way out, but not quite gone yet, because evolution is an ongoing process, both in acquiring and eliminating traits.
At a top speed of 40000 km/h, humans are the fastest of animals. Without the use of tools though, that honor goes to the peregrine falcon, which can go 320 km/h. But take these birds out of the sky and put them into an undersea coral reef and they won't do too well. The point is, for evolution, environment is everything.
Humans follow a completely different survival strategy from other creatures. Humans excel at thought, language, intricate hand manipulation, problem solving, knowledge accumulation, and above all adaptive social organization and cultural experimentation. Unfortunately, as with any processes, it's possible for these processes to become afflicted with pathologies, one of which is called religion, as you say.
The appendix is generally assumed be a vestigial structure, like wisdom teeth, ear muscles, and goosebumps. These things are on the way out, but not quite gone yet, because evolution is an ongoing process, both in acquiring and eliminating traits.
At a top speed of 40000 km/h, humans are the fastest of animals. Without the use of tools though, that honor goes to the peregrine falcon, which can go 320 km/h. But take these birds out of the sky and put them into an undersea coral reef and they won't do too well. The point is, for evolution, environment is everything.
Humans follow a completely different survival strategy from other creatures. Humans excel at thought, language, intricate hand manipulation, problem solving, knowledge accumulation, and above all adaptive social organization and cultural experimentation. Unfortunately, as with any processes, it's possible for these processes to become afflicted with pathologies, one of which is called religion, as you say.
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i agree that environment is everything and we are a product of it. as we continue forward i also agree that there are things on the way out evolutionwise. i just hope that we as a species are not evolved out of the picture. i do believe we still have a lot of good in us, and that ultimately we can live in harmony with our natural environment. what gets my goat, is how a lot of religious people believe that this world will soon pass, judgment day, the return of the messiah. which leads them to believe: why bother fixing or helping this world, if its just going to be destroyed by god. or those who believe that they have a short life, so why not exploit everything for our pleasure. its so short sighted and ego driven...
By: ritterkreuz