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Rep. Alan Grayson on the Situation Room
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Rep. Alan Grayson discusses the Republican health care plan with Wolf Blitzer, Alex Castellanos and James Carville on CNN.
Oct 4, 2009 11:48 PM
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Why are they attacking him on a personal level? It is not the point who got offended by him.
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Because when real rebuttals based on facts and solid logic are not available, people resort to personal attacks. It's the first and most obvious sign that the other side is unable to refute or otherwise rationally debate an issue.
By: decavolt
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Grayson's comments on the House floor, while not exactly personal attacks, were hyperbolic. I agree with him, so I think they're funny and truish.
So the other side gets their panties in a bunch with fake outrage in an effort to discredit him. Bad move. All it does is give Grayson a wider soundbite moment, causing people to listen to three or four sentences in a row from him on shows like this.
Cool.
So the other side gets their panties in a bunch with fake outrage in an effort to discredit him. Bad move. All it does is give Grayson a wider soundbite moment, causing people to listen to three or four sentences in a row from him on shows like this.
Cool.
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Republican outrage over the healthcare issue is fake? Come on now, don't get too dilluted in liberal propaganda. Yes there are mindless nuts on both sides, but don't generalize and be one of them. Some republicans are probably concerned that Obama has already blown our collective financial wad all over the bankers. Was this good judgement? Put two plus two together here. We're massively in debt. How long will it take to pay it off? Ten or twenty years? And now Obama wants to the government to take over health care? I'm scared but it does sound really fucking awesome. Howabout we stop our foreign zionist wars to pay for it. Ohh wait that's too much change for Obama.
By: KeyserSosay
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Obama's a douchebag for escalating Afghanistan, stacking his cabinet with Wall Street crooks and asking for the lamest possible health care patch only to back away from even that. But these Republicans claiming to be offended by Grayson's "don't get sick or else die quickly" rhetoric are not even slightly convincing. Oh, the bad man said mean things which hurt my feelings. Yeah.
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Grayson (of course) completely obliterated any opposition here. The man is a juggernaut.
I can't wait to see him again battle the Federal Reserve.
I can't wait to see him again battle the Federal Reserve.
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Absolutely! Let me double down as well.
W_W, your clip with Grayson and the Fed is one of my favorites. He finally got the Fed itself to admit it's a private enterprise. If he can do that, I'd like to see him go even further...
W_W, your clip with Grayson and the Fed is one of my favorites. He finally got the Fed itself to admit it's a private enterprise. If he can do that, I'd like to see him go even further...
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You know the link for that BHG?
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http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/177745/detail/
Ain't that the stuff?
(Watch the US dollar closely, by the way ... and pay close attention to the US trying to spook Iran, but the US is on its knees.)
Ain't that the stuff?
(Watch the US dollar closely, by the way ... and pay close attention to the US trying to spook Iran, but the US is on its knees.)
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Yes! It was a headline last week right here: http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/177745/detail/
But you may have missed it if you, like me, were blinded by the boneriffic light that is Tom Delay's tight, Right, and outtasite buttocks (and cupping of an "air flute....")
http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/178530/detail/
I know it's just the wee-est self-serving...
But you may have missed it if you, like me, were blinded by the boneriffic light that is Tom Delay's tight, Right, and outtasite buttocks (and cupping of an "air flute....")
http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/178530/detail/
I know it's just the wee-est self-serving...
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Ah-ha! I almost missed it. And im assuming youre talking about the dancing with the stars nonsense.
I mean, politicians have always been entertainers, but REALLY?
I mean, politicians have always been entertainers, but REALLY?
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Hmm...A collectivist libertarian. Intriguing.
By: poonhound
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That's an oxymoron.
Don't ask me why Grayson is backing the 'Healthcare Reform' (ahem). It sucks. Thus: I can't wait for Grayson to ... go back battling the Federal Reserve.
Collectivism makes me puke. I bet you called me one because you want to draw a reaction from me, and you got one.
I'm not going to tell people all day long how much I loathe Obama and his collectivist buddies.
Don't ask me why Grayson is backing the 'Healthcare Reform' (ahem). It sucks. Thus: I can't wait for Grayson to ... go back battling the Federal Reserve.
Collectivism makes me puke. I bet you called me one because you want to draw a reaction from me, and you got one.
I'm not going to tell people all day long how much I loathe Obama and his collectivist buddies.
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That was the reaction I was indeed looking for.
I wonder if Grayson's crusade against the Fed is motivated by something sinister, such as a desire to obtain complete congressional control over America's money supply. This view is shared by many collectivist critics of the Fed such as Ralph Nader.
I wonder what his thoughts are on this because I've never heard him say what his end goal is.
I wonder if Grayson's crusade against the Fed is motivated by something sinister, such as a desire to obtain complete congressional control over America's money supply. This view is shared by many collectivist critics of the Fed such as Ralph Nader.
I wonder what his thoughts are on this because I've never heard him say what his end goal is.
By: poonhound
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Dude...quit hogging the doobage and pass it over already.
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A couple of years ago I was mulling over the following: what if Congress itself (or the Treasury) had the power to issue money (other than gold and silver)? I quickly realized, thinking this through, that such a construction would be madness, i.e. riddled with corruption. The problems wouldn't be solved at all: central planning, inflation, fiat (unsound) money, coercion, and so on. There would be more of the same: wars, bailouts, subsidies of all kinds ... debts.
Now, would it be better than having a private, inscrutable entity controlled by offshore persons unknown?
No doubt about that, but the first option is merely the lesser of two evils and no good at all. Both are fascistic.
We'll see what Grayson is up to, but right now he's doing a helluva job exposing the Federal Reserve (and he seems like a great guy who stands up for the truth and changes his views if he finds out he's wrong).
Now, would it be better than having a private, inscrutable entity controlled by offshore persons unknown?
No doubt about that, but the first option is merely the lesser of two evils and no good at all. Both are fascistic.
We'll see what Grayson is up to, but right now he's doing a helluva job exposing the Federal Reserve (and he seems like a great guy who stands up for the truth and changes his views if he finds out he's wrong).
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"These nattering nabobs of negativism" - 2:46. That was such a crazy phrase I decided to look it up. From what I can tell it was introduced by Spiro Agnew, VP under Nixon, and written by Pat Buchanan. I wonder if Grayson is aware of that. I feel like he would be. I guess it's somewhat ironic that he would use a republican's words against their party, especially one that was as dramatic as Spiro.
If Grayson made this reference intentionally I think that would be pretty brilliant. It would show he has studied the conservatives and and is using what worked against them. This is just a small phrase of alliteration, but it may indicate a larger plan in the works.
Or I could be making a lot out of nothing, which I have been prone to do.
If Grayson made this reference intentionally I think that would be pretty brilliant. It would show he has studied the conservatives and and is using what worked against them. This is just a small phrase of alliteration, but it may indicate a larger plan in the works.
Or I could be making a lot out of nothing, which I have been prone to do.
By: ltgalloway
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He seems too smart to expect a right-wing audience to know history that stretches back literally decades.
If he wanted to kick Republican obstructionists in the nuts with their own words, he should've called them "death panelists".
If he wanted to kick Republican obstructionists in the nuts with their own words, he should've called them "death panelists".
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I don't get the whole death panel argument. Our current privatized health care system basically works as a death panel in the sense that many people can't afford insurance or many people won't be covered for some pre-existing condition. So do you want a death panel run by some company or the government? I hate to say it, but I trust the government a tad bit more.
By: KeyserSosay
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I find myself totally with you on this one.
If the decision to give me care comes down to be made by either *my employees* (public servants) at what is a not-for-profit versus some CEO's employees who are all looking at their bonuses?
No question.
And while tax dollars are of course a finite resource, We The People have more transparency and more control over their allocation than we do over a private corporation's spending.
So we can always vote to spend more on healthcare and less on military. But as we've found out, we have absolutely zero control over Healthcare CEO bonuses and profit margins...
If the decision to give me care comes down to be made by either *my employees* (public servants) at what is a not-for-profit versus some CEO's employees who are all looking at their bonuses?
No question.
And while tax dollars are of course a finite resource, We The People have more transparency and more control over their allocation than we do over a private corporation's spending.
So we can always vote to spend more on healthcare and less on military. But as we've found out, we have absolutely zero control over Healthcare CEO bonuses and profit margins...
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The "death panel" thing is a right-wing scare lie. It's not designed to stand up to scrutiny. It's designed to frighten and confuse.
I agree about the real death panels though. Insurance companies contribute nothing to the system. They don't make anything. They don't do anything. They don't dispense practical expertise. They provide nothing. All they are is a profit-sucking layer built on top of vapors. They push money from one pile to another using sticky fingers, and they find ways not to hold up their end and they answer to no-one. We don't need them to continue dragging down health outcomes at an exorbitant cost.
Too bad the proposal on the table is to force healthy people to buy private insurance whether they want to or not, to use tax money to subsidize poor people's private for-profit insurance, and to give sick people a public insurance option, so insurers don't have to cover them. The legislation looks as if it were written by the insurance industry. (Just *exactly* as if it were written by the insurance industry.) The only decent aspect of the legislation is the limits on what insurers can get away with, so they won't deny people for pre-existing conditions any more. The main effect of that will be fewer uninsured people and higher insurance rates and taxes for everyone.
Cha-ching for insurers!
Plus the "public option" filled with the sickest people will fail within a few years so private insurance can say public medical financing is a bad idea.
We still won't get our money's worth in health care, but since we'll all be paying more taxes AND more insurance, we'll have fewer patients dumped into alleys. I suppose that's an improvement.
I agree about the real death panels though. Insurance companies contribute nothing to the system. They don't make anything. They don't do anything. They don't dispense practical expertise. They provide nothing. All they are is a profit-sucking layer built on top of vapors. They push money from one pile to another using sticky fingers, and they find ways not to hold up their end and they answer to no-one. We don't need them to continue dragging down health outcomes at an exorbitant cost.
Too bad the proposal on the table is to force healthy people to buy private insurance whether they want to or not, to use tax money to subsidize poor people's private for-profit insurance, and to give sick people a public insurance option, so insurers don't have to cover them. The legislation looks as if it were written by the insurance industry. (Just *exactly* as if it were written by the insurance industry.) The only decent aspect of the legislation is the limits on what insurers can get away with, so they won't deny people for pre-existing conditions any more. The main effect of that will be fewer uninsured people and higher insurance rates and taxes for everyone.
Cha-ching for insurers!
Plus the "public option" filled with the sickest people will fail within a few years so private insurance can say public medical financing is a bad idea.
We still won't get our money's worth in health care, but since we'll all be paying more taxes AND more insurance, we'll have fewer patients dumped into alleys. I suppose that's an improvement.
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From the current real world situation, this is true. "Public Option" is the sound of Obama & Co. holding us down while the Insurance Companies bugger us. (w/o Vaseline since that's not covered by our plan)
There's a reason no one talks about the more significant reform of Single Payer any more. Or of the US simply assuming one of the first world plans in other nations which *already work.*
There's a reason no one talks about the more significant reform of Single Payer any more. Or of the US simply assuming one of the first world plans in other nations which *already work.*
