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Season 3, Episode 11, RT 28:40, first aired July 18, 2005. NSFW.
Criticism of the U.S. Endangered Species Act and highlights its unintended consequences.
Criticism of the U.S. Endangered Species Act and highlights its unintended consequences.
Jul 2, 2009 6:47 PM
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Oh, do I have to mention NSFW? LANGUAGE!
By: spam_vigilante
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Yeah , fuck other species! We need more space and we should be able to take it dam'it.
There are sure more laws and act's out there which could do much worse harm then this Endangered species act. Must have been a slow day at the Teller's Penn office to pick this topic. Sorry, but I personally do feel the well being of a species goes over 1 human need (actually over many more...). We humans always can find different living situations.
There are sure more laws and act's out there which could do much worse harm then this Endangered species act. Must have been a slow day at the Teller's Penn office to pick this topic. Sorry, but I personally do feel the well being of a species goes over 1 human need (actually over many more...). We humans always can find different living situations.
By: plaudertasche
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If this were the only episode ever of Penn & Teller, you might have had a point. But it isn't, and they have (repeatedly) lambasted other idiotic laws, and continue to do so.
Even if that weren't the case, it's not a valid argument to state that there are worse things than subject X, and thus no rational reason for discussing subject X. Incest is worse than burglary, but that doesn't mean there is no reason to discuss buglary.
Even if that weren't the case, it's not a valid argument to state that there are worse things than subject X, and thus no rational reason for discussing subject X. Incest is worse than burglary, but that doesn't mean there is no reason to discuss buglary.
By: decavolt
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There is a distinction between incest and molestation, even if there is an overlap.
There is no harm in consensual non-reproductive incest among adults.
There is no harm in consensual non-reproductive incest among adults.
By: Gemini6Ice
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I don't believe that was the intended message. The argument was not that wildlife conservation is not important. Quite the opposite really. It was that this particular piece of legislation is misused, and that the environment can be protected with local legislation such as reducing the amount of pollutants harmful industry is creating in that area. Why should there be a federal law in place to protect species that, if endangered, would only reside within a small area of the United States? Is the local government not competent enough? Why can't that lady make an appeal to her local congressman? If this woman is truly being a greedy selfish bitch, how come Wal-mart gets to build there and she can't?
By: robguy2005
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I had my concerns about posting this clip. After all, I try to have respect for Nature and all her creatures.
The protest voiced in this clip is how the law is enforced and how inflexible it actually is.
But I actually watched the video rather than judging it before doing so. Unlike your comment likely indicates.
I don't agree with many of the opinions espoused by Penn Jillette and Teller (huh-huh-huh? to your Teller's Penn comment). But I find this particular series to be entertaining.
To each his own.
The protest voiced in this clip is how the law is enforced and how inflexible it actually is.
But I actually watched the video rather than judging it before doing so. Unlike your comment likely indicates.
I don't agree with many of the opinions espoused by Penn Jillette and Teller (huh-huh-huh? to your Teller's Penn comment). But I find this particular series to be entertaining.
To each his own.
By: spam_vigilante
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This was probably one of the more interesting episodes of Bullshit, and I'm glad I watched it. Most of the objections raised to the act were absolutely valid, and Lindy's was a great example of how the ESA screws over the average person.
However, first of all, it's bullshit to say that we're NOT in the middle of an extinction event that is mostly of our own doing, and to say otherwise is to ignore what science is saying.
Secondly, Lindy's case seems to undermine the idea that the ESA's enforcement is mostly against corporations, especially considering that Walmart got a variance to build in a neighboring lot. If anything, most of the cases I've heard with regards to ESA's enforcement are against individual landowners, who are, as always, a bit more vulnerable than corporations who employ teams of lawyers.
However, first of all, it's bullshit to say that we're NOT in the middle of an extinction event that is mostly of our own doing, and to say otherwise is to ignore what science is saying.
Secondly, Lindy's case seems to undermine the idea that the ESA's enforcement is mostly against corporations, especially considering that Walmart got a variance to build in a neighboring lot. If anything, most of the cases I've heard with regards to ESA's enforcement are against individual landowners, who are, as always, a bit more vulnerable than corporations who employ teams of lawyers.
By: Deh_Dude
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I forgot to also add that of course I strongly disagree with Penn and Teller in their opinion that we should not enact any legislation to protect species in danger of extinction. I do agree of course that ESA is probably ineffectual and even harmful to both people and the animals it's trying to protect.
Penn is right: the affect of removing any one species from the ecosystem has complicated, unpredictable consequences. He's also right that nature will find a way: it always has, and it always will. However, it's out decision as to whether nature's future includes us or not.
Environmentalism in the end is really a selfish pursuit, since it means keeping the environment suitable for human habitation.
Penn is right: the affect of removing any one species from the ecosystem has complicated, unpredictable consequences. He's also right that nature will find a way: it always has, and it always will. However, it's out decision as to whether nature's future includes us or not.
Environmentalism in the end is really a selfish pursuit, since it means keeping the environment suitable for human habitation.
By: Deh_Dude
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Sorry, *our decision whether nature's future includes us or not.
By: Deh_Dude
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Quite honestly I don't know if we're undergoing a mass extinction for land animals.
But I certainly know that marine life is taking a pounding that will be unsustainable if we keep overfishing.
But I certainly know that marine life is taking a pounding that will be unsustainable if we keep overfishing.
By: spongebathe
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Some valid points were made about my orig. post. Made me think it over and I reconsidered my orig post.
It's not the law which is BS, but how we let corporations and money run our system, actually let them run the world.
Why do we let them run it?! May be money and power alters our values? Not sure, but looks like not everybody is equal in front of the law.
It's not the law which is BS, but how we let corporations and money run our system, actually let them run the world.
Why do we let them run it?! May be money and power alters our values? Not sure, but looks like not everybody is equal in front of the law.
By: plaudertasche
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So much of this Bullshit show, is bullshit.
By: senorglory
