A Libertarian Gallop Through US History

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A Libertarian Gallop Through US History
Thomas Woods tells us stuff we don't ever get to hear in college.
Jun 27, 2009 3:13 PM
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sage words.

And Jefferson was the best
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if you haven't heard of the alien&sedition acts and are american then your school was shit.

BTW Nullification was no longer used after the civil war. He kind of forgot to mention that.
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Not true. You just don't hear bout them from the mainstream media. Montana is currently trying to nullify federal gun laws. Google "the montana gun law you will never hear about". They may not call it nullification these days, but it happens.
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It's called the "Montana Firearms Freedom Act".
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You can't fight bias with bias. I'd prefer a purely academic presentation of American History, not a lecture scrounging up a loose connection of historical occurrences and focusing them in an agenda beneficial lens.
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That's nonsense. Just because some people are willing to make it clear that they have a bias doesn't mean that an "un"-biased view is possible. This fiction about "objective" journalism is just that fiction and it only serves the interests of the ruling institutions and individuals for them to make us believe that corporate infotainment is somehow a standard to aspire to. How The New York Times, CNN and all the major outlets are still considered legit when they all worked with the Pentagon to take us to war is beyond me. Stephen Colbert was unbearably right at the Correspondents' dinner, all they do is transcribe what gov't spokespeople tell them. They don't ask questions, they don't seek clarification and they don't check facts, all they do is amplify. There is no "purely" academic view. The academy is better informed than the media but no less given to ideological bias. We all know the fairy tale, that's why it takes a Howard Zinn to tell us the important stuff that was left out on purpose.
By: quartknee
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Unlike the media, academia attempts to police itself. While some scholars may write off the way papers or even follow mainstream trends, legitimacy in academia requires publication in peer reviewed journals meaning those with other viewpoints also look at and analyze the merit of the piece. No, no writing is without bias but unlike the news academia usually weeds out the off the wall stories and ideas. The greatest threat to academia today though is the internet. On the internet all viewpoints seem to be given equal relevance and validity. Anyone can put anything up online; Wikipedia is a great example of such a happening. It’s becoming harder and harder to find legitimate online sources of both media and scholarship. Even the media is having trouble, hence the Iran Twitter reporting by the major news networks. So should we trust this lecturer’s fact...not off had but they can inspire us to research and see for ourselves what he’s talking about. However it may prove difficult to navigate the internet to discern fact from fiction. Just a thought.
By: ikonick
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Wikipedia is not an example of equal veiwpoints given validity. If you post on wikipedia without a proper citation, your post will be marked as lacking source or will be removed if it seems like BS. Wikipedia is HEAVILY moderated by thousands of admins, this sense that anything on wikipedia is invalid is not true. If you don't trust the content of a wikipedia article it is easy to check the source. If anything wikipedia is academic as the internet can get.
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This guy might want to go back to homeschooling his kids and give up the lecture circuit. He is obviously more suited to speaking to a group of children.
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Wow. You blew me away with your brainy argument.
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Wow. You just put me in my place with your snarky criticism.
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I'm starting to buy into some of this libertarian and republican thinking regarding the scope of the federal government being way too large. It's pretty obvious that we will be paying for these bailouts for the next 30 fucking years just because Bush and primarily Obama had to keep face and do something drastic to get us out of this economic crisis. What happens when the money runs out and the bubble bursts again?

I think it's really going to be sad to see good things like welfare (and public healthcare eventually) go away because our government spent all of our damn money on things we have no way of paying for. Like non-stop war.
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I became a Conservative by being around Liberals and I became a Libertarian by being around Conservatives.

-Greg Gutfeld
By: poonhound
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The problem with Libertarians is that they are opposed to big government but not opposed to big corporations that pay and finance governments around the world to serve their interest and not the peoples. The hypocrisy of the Libertarians is they are opposed to big government and any hint of socialism that serves the people of a democracy. But they do what the government to protect free enterprise, especially wealth and privilege, which includes an army to protect corporate interest internationally, police and the suppression of the labor movement nationally. This leads a big government to administer an army and police which in America the military industrial complex is the biggest expense of our tax dollars.

What is really missing in schools and from Libertarians is the history of the honest hard working folks and their labor movement. The strikes right after the beginning of the industrial revolution to get a little pay increase and end child labor, the 10 years of general strikes culminating in the Haymarket riots for the 8 hour workday—a day celebrated by nearly every country in the world except here where it started. The years of the free speech fights, the union ‘soapboxers,’ the Palmer Raids, and the Seattle general strike which led to the anti-syndicalism laws, to name a few.

By: kropotkin
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The so-called Libertarians you describe aren't Libertarians at all. True Libertarians adhere to equality under the Law, and thus are not influenced by lobbyists (special interests).

Of course, as you say, Libertarians aren't opposed to big corporations. Have you got any idea how it is that under a Libertarian system corporations get big? Corporations in a free society grow because they serve the interests of the People.

Now, it is under Big Government that corporations get special treatment, grow fat off the backs of the People, establish monopolies that last, and more bad things. You try to reign in massive corporations that rip you off if your beloved socialists FORCE you to buy their crap products.

Just today I read in a crap Dutch newspaper (they're all crap, by the way) that people who refuse to pay for their Universal Healthcare (choke on it) get huge fines, the State even going as far as completely ignoring the financial situation of those people and, naturally, completely ignoring such a thing as free choice (What's that? the socialist said.)

In a Libertarian system it's easy for you to start your own business, employ the people you want to employ, and pay them what you want to pay them. If those people don't want to work for you, they'll go elsewhere. That is, if they got even a modicum of balls.

The power is ours, except if masses of people start to hand over one right after another, and demand special treatment over others. Then, the political system slants itself to benefit those who feel the need to gain unfair advantage over their fellow citizens. In the end, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that the snake begins to feed upon itself, one minority group after another falling under the relentless runaway train that is the collectivist state. You will, one day, be next. But, maybe your luck will be sheer ignorance, and a brainwashed brain, so you will say that you are subordinate to the State and too bad it just took away your *insert word(s) of choice*.

America has never known a true Libertarian system.

I urge you to study what Libertarianism truly is. Relatively few people understand it, but you might become one of them.
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Hi White-Wolf;

You wrote:

>Of course, as you say, Libertarians aren't opposed to big corporations. Have you got any idea how it is that under a Libertarian system corporations get big? Corporations in a free society grow because they serve the interests of the People.<

That’s fine if you want to really believe that. But corporations grow because they exploit the labor of the people and they serve only their own interest. It is called ‘wage-slavery.’ How is it serving the needs of the people when they move their companies overseas to exploit child labor, no safety or environmental regulations, and where they can buy governments to repress the labor movements? Where is the freedom it that? It case you missed it the Constitution states; “We the People” not “We the Corporations.” Many honest hard working folks aren’t rich because of any lack of anything but because the have principles and values.

Actually being an anarchist or more accurately an anarcho-syndicalist I am not for socialism but rather a moneyless society. When power is decentralized into the hands of the people some communities may choose socialism but centralized socialism is totalitarianism and centralized capitalism is Fascism.

The differences in the three main economic/political systems are:

1. The Capitalist say they own the factory and the worker has a choice in whether or not to work there under the bosses conditions.

2. The Socialist and Communist say they will operate the factory in the workers interest.

3. The Anarchist say they want the workers to own and run their own factory in their own interest.

By: kropotkin
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As a left-leaning libertarian (a rare species), I very much agree with you that big businesses do lots of evil things and need to be reigned in from time to time. But you have to strike a realistic balance here. Don't go blaming big business for all of the evil in the world. You say that big corporations cause wage slavery. True, but you fail to realize that big government, similar to a large corporation in many ways, also implements it's own form of slavery through taxes and inflation. You see, when the American government goes and creates a SHIT LOAD of money from thin air and borrows a SHIT LOAD of money from China, the burden gets shifted to the citizens. Taxes must be increased significantly and inflation causes the cost of living to go up faster than wages. People cannot save money in this type of economy. The government and the people are enslaved by this fraudulent financial system and we will never be "free" unless we ditch it and start over.

END THE FED!
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And by the way, not all libertarians are scared to death of socialist things. Just the republican leaning-socialists.
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