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Excerpts from the exceptional series "Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism" by AronRa. This is one of my all-time favorites because of the extensive Bible verse reference. A great tool for debating fundamentalists, if one were so inclined.
Apr 6, 2009 3:14 PM
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Whoops. Slip of the finger. Meant to give this a 4* but clicked 3* instead. Someone want to lend NextDylan a hand and give him an extra star or two?
By: spam_vigilante
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My priest told me the devil would try to trick me me logic. This is clearly the work of the devil.
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Crass, bitter, cynical, tactless...man, I really dig this one.
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Anything that knocks creationism is good in my (Holy) Book.
By: keyser_soze
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Unbiased? Ha ha ha. This is blatant propaganda with so much of it completely wrong.
The Bible does not condone witchcraft or astrology. Incest was only allowed for the early humans but was eventually banned.
The Bible does not say there is a firmament in the sky. It does say that at one time there was a watery expanse, which some believe to be a large cloud covering. It was this that created the flood of Noah's day and no longer exists. Almost every culture today has an ancient flood story, and scientists have found fossils of land animals at sea hinting that those lands were once dry. Some have even speculated that if the Earth was covered by a watery expanse it could explain why the planet had tropical conditions all over.
Most of the scriptures he uses are figurative and not meant to be literal. If someone says the 4 corners of the Earth, we don't there aren't literal 4 corners. It is the same here. He is using these scriptures to discredit the Bible.
The Bible does say that rabbits eat cud. However, scientists have found that rabbits eat their own excrement similar to a cow eating cud.
No where does the Bible say the Earth is flat. Instead, Isaiah 40:22 describes the Earth as a circle (sphere). Job 26:7 says the Earth hangs upon nothing (in other words, floats in space).
You can bash religious people for believing whatever is taught them, but if you believe this nonsense you are just as bad.
The Bible does not condone witchcraft or astrology. Incest was only allowed for the early humans but was eventually banned.
The Bible does not say there is a firmament in the sky. It does say that at one time there was a watery expanse, which some believe to be a large cloud covering. It was this that created the flood of Noah's day and no longer exists. Almost every culture today has an ancient flood story, and scientists have found fossils of land animals at sea hinting that those lands were once dry. Some have even speculated that if the Earth was covered by a watery expanse it could explain why the planet had tropical conditions all over.
Most of the scriptures he uses are figurative and not meant to be literal. If someone says the 4 corners of the Earth, we don't there aren't literal 4 corners. It is the same here. He is using these scriptures to discredit the Bible.
The Bible does say that rabbits eat cud. However, scientists have found that rabbits eat their own excrement similar to a cow eating cud.
No where does the Bible say the Earth is flat. Instead, Isaiah 40:22 describes the Earth as a circle (sphere). Job 26:7 says the Earth hangs upon nothing (in other words, floats in space).
You can bash religious people for believing whatever is taught them, but if you believe this nonsense you are just as bad.
By: digitalprime
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"The Bible does not condone witchcraft or astrology. Incest was only allowed for the early humans but was eventually banned."
No one is saying the bible condones witchcraft, just that it claims it is a real phenomena, thus paving the way for the subjugation and torture of women.
Your all-perfect, all-powerful creator couldn't come up with a plan that doesn't require incest in the first place?
"Almost every culture today has an ancient flood story..."
Yes. Floods happen. It's an imperfect world. Why did your god not make himself known to these other cultures before he tried (and failed) to fix his own mistake by slaughtering them?
"Most of the scriptures he uses are figurative and not meant to be literal."
Who determines which are figurative, and which are literal? Ok, so the 4-corner thing is figurative. But I bet the 'homosexuality = abomination' thing is literal, right? And you realise the leviticus verse I'm referring to comes directly after the lecture on how much of an abomination incest is, right?
"The Bible does say that rabbits eat cud. However, scientists have found that rabbits eat their own excrement similar to a cow eating cud."
You and the bible think cud and shit are the same thing. Gotcha.
"No where does the Bible say the Earth is flat."
What mountain did the devil take Jesus to in Luke 4 from which they could see ALL the kingdoms of the world?
"Instead, Isaiah 40:22 describes the Earth as a circle (sphere)."
A circle is not a sphere. Why do I need to tell you this?
"You can bash religious people for believing whatever is taught them, but if you believe this nonsense you are just as bad."
I prefer to bash the teachers of the religious nonsense, those who use fear to keep the flock from questioning it, and those who when confronted with evidence that their beliefs may be wrong, are too arrogant to question those beliefs.
No one is saying the bible condones witchcraft, just that it claims it is a real phenomena, thus paving the way for the subjugation and torture of women.
Your all-perfect, all-powerful creator couldn't come up with a plan that doesn't require incest in the first place?
"Almost every culture today has an ancient flood story..."
Yes. Floods happen. It's an imperfect world. Why did your god not make himself known to these other cultures before he tried (and failed) to fix his own mistake by slaughtering them?
"Most of the scriptures he uses are figurative and not meant to be literal."
Who determines which are figurative, and which are literal? Ok, so the 4-corner thing is figurative. But I bet the 'homosexuality = abomination' thing is literal, right? And you realise the leviticus verse I'm referring to comes directly after the lecture on how much of an abomination incest is, right?
"The Bible does say that rabbits eat cud. However, scientists have found that rabbits eat their own excrement similar to a cow eating cud."
You and the bible think cud and shit are the same thing. Gotcha.
"No where does the Bible say the Earth is flat."
What mountain did the devil take Jesus to in Luke 4 from which they could see ALL the kingdoms of the world?
"Instead, Isaiah 40:22 describes the Earth as a circle (sphere)."
A circle is not a sphere. Why do I need to tell you this?
"You can bash religious people for believing whatever is taught them, but if you believe this nonsense you are just as bad."
I prefer to bash the teachers of the religious nonsense, those who use fear to keep the flock from questioning it, and those who when confronted with evidence that their beliefs may be wrong, are too arrogant to question those beliefs.
By: dalai_yoda
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I was fortunate enough to grow up in a Christian religion that encouraged us to question things. When they discovered the pagan origins of Easter and Christmas they stopped participating in them. We never accepted the cross because A) it is idolatry B) it is SUPPOSEDLY the device that was used to both torture and kill Jesus. I saw first hand how corrupt and ignorant all other Christian religions were. When I pointed out these problems I was given the "I was raised this way excuse".
The Bible actually encourages people to question it. The Apostle Paul commended a group of people known as the Boreans for questioning the teachings. Proverbs 14:15 states ""Anyone inexperienced puts faith in every word, but the shrewd one considers his steps."
Most people don't know what faith is. The Bible's definition of faith is "the ASSURED expectation of things hoped for." - Hebrews 11:1. That means that true faith isn't blind. It has to be assured. This is not much different than scientific hypothesis and theories. Evolution finds two similar creatures and assumes they evolved. There is no proof, just a strong assumption. Evolution is an act of faith in itself. We each study the world and make assumptions based on our study of the world.
You would be happy to know that the religion I was raised does not get involved in politics nor does it care about what schools teach children. If a parent wants their child to believe in creation then it is the parent's job and not the schools.
I watch every video on evolution I can find.
There seems to be this belief that everything can be proven. What if that belief is wrong? What if there are some unexplained phenomenons? Look at gravity on a subatomic scale. We are all made up of atoms, yet they define form and function. We don't accidentally fuse with each other. Scientists can't explain it. Does that mean it doesn't exist?
Looking over your response, the Bible does not allow subjugation and torture of women. The first person with whom Jesus admitted he was the messiah to, was a women. This during a time when men did not speak to women in public. When a man and woman are to get married, they become one flesh.....equals. The Bible says the man takes the lead, but never says he is superior. It was simply an arrangement. Humble people understand this arrangement.
People have distorted the Bible for their own personal gain. Just as the author of this video has.
The Bible actually encourages people to question it. The Apostle Paul commended a group of people known as the Boreans for questioning the teachings. Proverbs 14:15 states ""Anyone inexperienced puts faith in every word, but the shrewd one considers his steps."
Most people don't know what faith is. The Bible's definition of faith is "the ASSURED expectation of things hoped for." - Hebrews 11:1. That means that true faith isn't blind. It has to be assured. This is not much different than scientific hypothesis and theories. Evolution finds two similar creatures and assumes they evolved. There is no proof, just a strong assumption. Evolution is an act of faith in itself. We each study the world and make assumptions based on our study of the world.
You would be happy to know that the religion I was raised does not get involved in politics nor does it care about what schools teach children. If a parent wants their child to believe in creation then it is the parent's job and not the schools.
I watch every video on evolution I can find.
There seems to be this belief that everything can be proven. What if that belief is wrong? What if there are some unexplained phenomenons? Look at gravity on a subatomic scale. We are all made up of atoms, yet they define form and function. We don't accidentally fuse with each other. Scientists can't explain it. Does that mean it doesn't exist?
Looking over your response, the Bible does not allow subjugation and torture of women. The first person with whom Jesus admitted he was the messiah to, was a women. This during a time when men did not speak to women in public. When a man and woman are to get married, they become one flesh.....equals. The Bible says the man takes the lead, but never says he is superior. It was simply an arrangement. Humble people understand this arrangement.
People have distorted the Bible for their own personal gain. Just as the author of this video has.
By: digitalprime
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The purpose of science is to employ the evidence gathered by objective observation to define the nature of the universe. Science by definition attempts to eliminate variables. Science illuminates the world. The Bible teaches us not to question, not to think, not to act of our own volition but instead to blindly follow the words of an ancient and obsolete text which is not even original in it's form but instead translated and re-translated by biased people with ancient and obsolete ideals. There is NO WAY to reconcile the "Bible" and real science of any type, with perhaps the exception of etymology and sociology, and in both of these fields the Bible would be the SUBJECT of study but by no means the foundation. Simply put, science, at every turn, refutes the possibility of veracity in the Bible. Faith is the opposite of science, and you have to pick one or the other.
Anyway, that's my two-cents.
Anyway, that's my two-cents.
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1) "I was fortunate enough to grow up in a Christian religion that encouraged us to question things."
Hate to say it, pay, but you're neither doing Christianity correctly nor doing a very good job of questioning. Nowhere in the vast confusion of the Bible does it give any hint of: "Well, think about it, huh?" You can't cherrypick things you agree with and ignore the parts you don't, and still say it's a viable, sensical text.
They're called The Ten Commandments, not The Ten Topics of Debate. They're about CONTROL, not questioning, especially the first five.
2) The difference between evolution and the Bible is that evolution is based on evidence. It's only called a theory because you can't collect every instance of evolution. However, if you can give one measly example where genetics follow a contrary course - voila, new theory time. That's a better job of questioning than the Bible. Just show one example. Get cracking. Start by googling Popper's black swan.
3) You can't look at gravity on a subatomic scale because it isn't a visible force. But there is a theory for it. Just because you don't understand it in no way gives credence to the Bible, it just means you don't understand either source.
4) "The Bible does not allow subjugation and torture of women."
"The Bible says the man takes the lead, but never says he is superior."
Really.
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." - Deuteronomy 22:28-29
5) "There seems to be this belief that everything can be proven. What if that belief is wrong?"
Then I suggest you stay in your home school, while the rest make use of empirical evidence and reasoned analysis. If you're lucky, someone might throw you some crackers.
You threw out Xmas and Easter and the cross. Keep going.
Hate to say it, pay, but you're neither doing Christianity correctly nor doing a very good job of questioning. Nowhere in the vast confusion of the Bible does it give any hint of: "Well, think about it, huh?" You can't cherrypick things you agree with and ignore the parts you don't, and still say it's a viable, sensical text.
They're called The Ten Commandments, not The Ten Topics of Debate. They're about CONTROL, not questioning, especially the first five.
2) The difference between evolution and the Bible is that evolution is based on evidence. It's only called a theory because you can't collect every instance of evolution. However, if you can give one measly example where genetics follow a contrary course - voila, new theory time. That's a better job of questioning than the Bible. Just show one example. Get cracking. Start by googling Popper's black swan.
3) You can't look at gravity on a subatomic scale because it isn't a visible force. But there is a theory for it. Just because you don't understand it in no way gives credence to the Bible, it just means you don't understand either source.
4) "The Bible does not allow subjugation and torture of women."
"The Bible says the man takes the lead, but never says he is superior."
Really.
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." - Deuteronomy 22:28-29
5) "There seems to be this belief that everything can be proven. What if that belief is wrong?"
Then I suggest you stay in your home school, while the rest make use of empirical evidence and reasoned analysis. If you're lucky, someone might throw you some crackers.
You threw out Xmas and Easter and the cross. Keep going.
By: SpyPlaneX1
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> You threw out Xmas and Easter and the cross. Keep going.
hehehehehe
hehehehehe
By: gerrywastaken
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Another ignorant Christian put in his place. No need to get involved here. Thanks for handling this one. Good show.
By: quaidbrown
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Oh, and answer some of the questions dalai_yoda put up there. Or try some posed by the video - I like the "striped patterns to a cow" story. If you're going to call that poetic license, how then are the stars in Mithra's cloak false?
You can do it... turn on the power... charge up the big gray Delco...
You can do it... turn on the power... charge up the big gray Delco...
By: SpyPlaneX1
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Not that we really need to bury you any deeper, but hey, that's just how I roll.
Two gems I'd like to point out:
1.
"it is SUPPOSEDLY the device that was used to both torture and kill Jesus."
Wow, you just said the bible is untrue, and you used caps lock to draw attention to that fact.
2.
"I saw first hand how corrupt and ignorant all other Christian religions were."
*Clap, clap.... clap* Welcome to fanatical religion 101. You and YOU ALONE are the chosen of god. All others insult him. Only you do the masters will, and when all's said and done, he'll throw you a doggy bone and pat you on the head, while everyone else BURNS IN HELL!!!! MWA HA HA HA HA!!!!
Tee hee, sorry, couldn't help myself at the end there.
Two gems I'd like to point out:
1.
"it is SUPPOSEDLY the device that was used to both torture and kill Jesus."
Wow, you just said the bible is untrue, and you used caps lock to draw attention to that fact.
2.
"I saw first hand how corrupt and ignorant all other Christian religions were."
*Clap, clap.... clap* Welcome to fanatical religion 101. You and YOU ALONE are the chosen of god. All others insult him. Only you do the masters will, and when all's said and done, he'll throw you a doggy bone and pat you on the head, while everyone else BURNS IN HELL!!!! MWA HA HA HA HA!!!!
Tee hee, sorry, couldn't help myself at the end there.
By: duffguy
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Hey, why dont we take any book (i'd say something from tolkien) and take that as our scripture. if something is untrue by the standards of today we say this part is to be interpreted. BAM new religion.
Ah... and yes... science doesnt say that everything can be explained (thats not why its here). Science explains stuff we can find evidence for. Well... christians.. ahm.. they proof stuff by citing a book. over and over. and if it doesnt make sense anymore it is to be interpreted or gods ways are to complex to be understood.
reminds me of that chart:
How many people were killed by whom in the bible:
God: >100.000
Satan: 10
Ah and btw. why pray to a god that
a) does not help you, ever.
b) does not change anything in the world
c) does not punish the bad ppl
d) continue the list for yourself
i just dont see what you would get out of praying to a god (choose the one you like). youve got like a 1 in 3000 chance to hit the right one. (or even more if all of those religions are wrong).
one more thing: how do you explain that YOU are praying to the right god and everybody else is wrong (scientologists included.... they have a right to be mentioned here). only difference: their book isnt as old as yours
Ah... and yes... science doesnt say that everything can be explained (thats not why its here). Science explains stuff we can find evidence for. Well... christians.. ahm.. they proof stuff by citing a book. over and over. and if it doesnt make sense anymore it is to be interpreted or gods ways are to complex to be understood.
reminds me of that chart:
How many people were killed by whom in the bible:
God: >100.000
Satan: 10
Ah and btw. why pray to a god that
a) does not help you, ever.
b) does not change anything in the world
c) does not punish the bad ppl
d) continue the list for yourself
i just dont see what you would get out of praying to a god (choose the one you like). youve got like a 1 in 3000 chance to hit the right one. (or even more if all of those religions are wrong).
one more thing: how do you explain that YOU are praying to the right god and everybody else is wrong (scientologists included.... they have a right to be mentioned here). only difference: their book isnt as old as yours
By: DerDobs
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In response to dalai_yoda:
You ask why God couldn't find a plan that didn't involve incest. Perhaps, because incest didn't cause the problems it does today. He simply allowed it. Early humans carried the genetic traits that would give birth to all races. The early humans even lived for a few centuries. They were different than us.
You ask why God didn't try to fix his mistake in reference to the flood. Is a parent always to blame when their children turn out bad? God gave humans free will, and we used it to reject him. Originally, God was going to wipe out all humans. However, it was Noah that made him change his mind.
Yes, cud and excrement are not the same. The Bible is NOT a science book. What the Jews considered to be cud, we have now learned to be something different.
The Earth is both a circle and a sphere. A sphere is simply a 3-dimensional circle. If you were to draw a picture of the Earth on a piece of paper, you would draw a circle. The Jews knew the Earth was round. As for the time that Satan took Jesus up on the top the mountain, that was a vision not literal. Even if the Earth was flat, he wouldn't have been able to see all the kingdoms.
In response to RabidMadness:
As I made clear, TRUE faith is assured. It must be proven. Faith is not blind. It isn't about believing something simply because you read it in a book or a parent brought you up that way.
In response to SpyPlaneX1:
I gave Biblical references to encourage people to question beliefs. As for the 10 Commandments, think about this. The Jews has just witnessed the 10 plagues used against Egypt to free them from slavery. They have witnessed the Red Sea split and later crash upon the Egyptians that chased after them. They had then witnessed the Earthquake swallow up those that built the golden calf. Would you question the commandments if you witnessed those events? Are you against rules? If and when you have children, will you let them do as they please without any rules whatsoever. God doesn't force us to do anything. That's why we have free will. He simply lists the rules, it is up to you to decide to follow them.
You want an example of genetics following a different course. Didn't the evolution video that was recently posted describe fish becoming land animals, only to become sea creatures again. What's the point of that? Yes, whales and dolphins share traits with land animals. All creatures are connected, but does that mean their isn't a God? You can often tell the work of an artist by the similarities in their work. You can tell what Dali or Picasso painted. The automotive industry is a perfect example of creative evolution. Each year an automobile is slightly different than the model before it. A VW Beetle from 2000 is an evolved version of the VW Beetle from the 1960's. Did it happen on its own without any intervention? That's basically the argument evolution makes. Richard Dawkins showcased how an eye could have evolved and also used eggs to showcase how wings could evolve. What I find funny is that he used his INTELLIGENCE to DESIGN and CREATE those models....which is then used to disprove an Intelligent Designer (God) and Creation. Ummm, yeah. How can sentient lifeforms (humans) deny the possibility of another sentient lifeform (God)?
As for how the woman was treated in Leviticus, the Mosaic law covenants were very strict. Too strict in fact, that Jesus did away with them. Think of God as a first time parent. He had high hopes for his children. As time went on he realized that changes had to be made. God does not know the future. Why would he want to? Do you want to know the ending to every movie or book? The scientists that are using the large hydron particle accelerator were actually hoping it would raise more questions instead of answer them. The unknown is what makes life enjoyable, even to God. God is perfect in that he doesn't sin, but when it comes to humans not everything has worked out. He used to allow polygamy but stopped that, he used to forbid the eating of pork but stopped that. God does change his laws as the world changes.
Someone once told me that you should never deal in absolutes. Apparently, the person wasn't smart enough to realize that that phrase is an absolute. The biggest problem is none of you believe in miracles. You believe everything can be proven. You have FAITH in that belief.
As for the striped lamb incident. Many of these miracles were one time events. The Bible does not say that it works every time. This is where the creator of this video is misleading. He doesn't believe in miracles and says the Bible is inaccurate.
In response to duffguy:
Not all Christians recognize the cross. While I believe Jesus was impaled, I do not believe it was on a cross but rather a single upright pole. That is why I put supposedly in caps. The cross actually is an evolved version of the Egyptian Ankh and is used to promote the trinity. Not all Christians believe in the trinity. I'm not sure if you know your history, but there was a Great Schism that lead to the protestant reformation. People knew Christianity had gotten corrupt and sought to fix it.
You call me fanatical? I don't bash other religions only hypocritical Christians. I know what the Bible says and I know that most holidays are pagan in origin. As do most of you. If you suspend your disbelief, try to imagine a devil out to keep people from finding the truth. The best method is to flood the market. There are literally thousands of religions, most of which are corrupt. Does this mean they all are? Does mean there is no God? Is it ignorant to find one that makes sense and believe in it?
In response to DerDobs:
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you, as well as everyone else here, are less than 100 years of age. 100 years, 1000 years, 10000 years, etc.... is nothing compared to an immortal. You lack patience. You think because God doesn't fix all the problems he doesn't exist. I once asked why God doesn't help those that believe in him. If you were rich and powerful and could care for all your friends, how many friends would you have? How many of them would be true friends? God is testing humans. His lack of involvement in this world is a way to prove that humans are in need of him. Even without religion, the world would still be corrupt. Do you honestly think that a world devoid of religion would suddenly eliminate all problems?
Religions are the biggest cause of the world's problems. The Bible prophecizes that eventually the governments of the world will turn their backs on religion in an effort for world peace. I see this prophecy coming true. As atheism rises in the world, and religious terrorism threatens world peace. 9/11 was caused by religious people.
My faith is from seeing how loving and honest true followers can be. From seeing how a world devoid of humility is. From seeing the beauty of nature that evolution can't explain. For example, look at a tree seed. Here is something with no intelligence, yet it buries below the soil, reaches out with roots for nutrients in the soil, and then reaches toward the sky with leaves that soak up nutrients from a sun miles and miles away. As if that isn't amazing enough, they can produce fruit with delicate skin, a fine stem for picking, and a delicious taste to feed animals. You believe that is an accident and call me ignorant? Finally, many Bible prophecies have come true in the past and are coming true today. I am not ignorant. Keep being atheist, you are only fulfilling Bible prophecies.
You ask why God couldn't find a plan that didn't involve incest. Perhaps, because incest didn't cause the problems it does today. He simply allowed it. Early humans carried the genetic traits that would give birth to all races. The early humans even lived for a few centuries. They were different than us.
You ask why God didn't try to fix his mistake in reference to the flood. Is a parent always to blame when their children turn out bad? God gave humans free will, and we used it to reject him. Originally, God was going to wipe out all humans. However, it was Noah that made him change his mind.
Yes, cud and excrement are not the same. The Bible is NOT a science book. What the Jews considered to be cud, we have now learned to be something different.
The Earth is both a circle and a sphere. A sphere is simply a 3-dimensional circle. If you were to draw a picture of the Earth on a piece of paper, you would draw a circle. The Jews knew the Earth was round. As for the time that Satan took Jesus up on the top the mountain, that was a vision not literal. Even if the Earth was flat, he wouldn't have been able to see all the kingdoms.
In response to RabidMadness:
As I made clear, TRUE faith is assured. It must be proven. Faith is not blind. It isn't about believing something simply because you read it in a book or a parent brought you up that way.
In response to SpyPlaneX1:
I gave Biblical references to encourage people to question beliefs. As for the 10 Commandments, think about this. The Jews has just witnessed the 10 plagues used against Egypt to free them from slavery. They have witnessed the Red Sea split and later crash upon the Egyptians that chased after them. They had then witnessed the Earthquake swallow up those that built the golden calf. Would you question the commandments if you witnessed those events? Are you against rules? If and when you have children, will you let them do as they please without any rules whatsoever. God doesn't force us to do anything. That's why we have free will. He simply lists the rules, it is up to you to decide to follow them.
You want an example of genetics following a different course. Didn't the evolution video that was recently posted describe fish becoming land animals, only to become sea creatures again. What's the point of that? Yes, whales and dolphins share traits with land animals. All creatures are connected, but does that mean their isn't a God? You can often tell the work of an artist by the similarities in their work. You can tell what Dali or Picasso painted. The automotive industry is a perfect example of creative evolution. Each year an automobile is slightly different than the model before it. A VW Beetle from 2000 is an evolved version of the VW Beetle from the 1960's. Did it happen on its own without any intervention? That's basically the argument evolution makes. Richard Dawkins showcased how an eye could have evolved and also used eggs to showcase how wings could evolve. What I find funny is that he used his INTELLIGENCE to DESIGN and CREATE those models....which is then used to disprove an Intelligent Designer (God) and Creation. Ummm, yeah. How can sentient lifeforms (humans) deny the possibility of another sentient lifeform (God)?
As for how the woman was treated in Leviticus, the Mosaic law covenants were very strict. Too strict in fact, that Jesus did away with them. Think of God as a first time parent. He had high hopes for his children. As time went on he realized that changes had to be made. God does not know the future. Why would he want to? Do you want to know the ending to every movie or book? The scientists that are using the large hydron particle accelerator were actually hoping it would raise more questions instead of answer them. The unknown is what makes life enjoyable, even to God. God is perfect in that he doesn't sin, but when it comes to humans not everything has worked out. He used to allow polygamy but stopped that, he used to forbid the eating of pork but stopped that. God does change his laws as the world changes.
Someone once told me that you should never deal in absolutes. Apparently, the person wasn't smart enough to realize that that phrase is an absolute. The biggest problem is none of you believe in miracles. You believe everything can be proven. You have FAITH in that belief.
As for the striped lamb incident. Many of these miracles were one time events. The Bible does not say that it works every time. This is where the creator of this video is misleading. He doesn't believe in miracles and says the Bible is inaccurate.
In response to duffguy:
Not all Christians recognize the cross. While I believe Jesus was impaled, I do not believe it was on a cross but rather a single upright pole. That is why I put supposedly in caps. The cross actually is an evolved version of the Egyptian Ankh and is used to promote the trinity. Not all Christians believe in the trinity. I'm not sure if you know your history, but there was a Great Schism that lead to the protestant reformation. People knew Christianity had gotten corrupt and sought to fix it.
You call me fanatical? I don't bash other religions only hypocritical Christians. I know what the Bible says and I know that most holidays are pagan in origin. As do most of you. If you suspend your disbelief, try to imagine a devil out to keep people from finding the truth. The best method is to flood the market. There are literally thousands of religions, most of which are corrupt. Does this mean they all are? Does mean there is no God? Is it ignorant to find one that makes sense and believe in it?
In response to DerDobs:
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you, as well as everyone else here, are less than 100 years of age. 100 years, 1000 years, 10000 years, etc.... is nothing compared to an immortal. You lack patience. You think because God doesn't fix all the problems he doesn't exist. I once asked why God doesn't help those that believe in him. If you were rich and powerful and could care for all your friends, how many friends would you have? How many of them would be true friends? God is testing humans. His lack of involvement in this world is a way to prove that humans are in need of him. Even without religion, the world would still be corrupt. Do you honestly think that a world devoid of religion would suddenly eliminate all problems?
Religions are the biggest cause of the world's problems. The Bible prophecizes that eventually the governments of the world will turn their backs on religion in an effort for world peace. I see this prophecy coming true. As atheism rises in the world, and religious terrorism threatens world peace. 9/11 was caused by religious people.
My faith is from seeing how loving and honest true followers can be. From seeing how a world devoid of humility is. From seeing the beauty of nature that evolution can't explain. For example, look at a tree seed. Here is something with no intelligence, yet it buries below the soil, reaches out with roots for nutrients in the soil, and then reaches toward the sky with leaves that soak up nutrients from a sun miles and miles away. As if that isn't amazing enough, they can produce fruit with delicate skin, a fine stem for picking, and a delicious taste to feed animals. You believe that is an accident and call me ignorant? Finally, many Bible prophecies have come true in the past and are coming true today. I am not ignorant. Keep being atheist, you are only fulfilling Bible prophecies.
By: digitalprime
Re: Holy Bible: Epic Fail
Wow. LOL Just - wow.
What you're doing isn't questioning, it's justifying. If evidence and reason don't work, you just slide into "well, how can we know ANYTHING?" You can't have it both ways.
You say you don't believe in absolutes, but you do believe in a perfect God. You say you question, but you accept that miracles happen. You say God changes his law to fit a changing world, but you still insist on prophecies coming true. You concede nothing as absurd, you just rationalize it by arguing around it. It's not reason, it's sad.
And no matter what, the thriving plants that lovingly produce fruits and veggies, the sun in its exact position and every factor that brought about life on earth... it's all about you. You and your one, single, uncompromised religion of piety in the sea of all the others that are corrupt and degenerate. What a spectacular display of self-obsession.
You don't need religion to have morality, you don't need to pray to accept your life as it is, and you don't need God to care about other people. And just because you "ask questions" and claim you're not ignorant clearly doesn't mean a thing.
The only people predicting (and privately rooting for) the end of the world are Judeo-Christian faiths, not atheists. We're not helped by religion, we're crippled by it. Good Friday to you.
What you're doing isn't questioning, it's justifying. If evidence and reason don't work, you just slide into "well, how can we know ANYTHING?" You can't have it both ways.
You say you don't believe in absolutes, but you do believe in a perfect God. You say you question, but you accept that miracles happen. You say God changes his law to fit a changing world, but you still insist on prophecies coming true. You concede nothing as absurd, you just rationalize it by arguing around it. It's not reason, it's sad.
And no matter what, the thriving plants that lovingly produce fruits and veggies, the sun in its exact position and every factor that brought about life on earth... it's all about you. You and your one, single, uncompromised religion of piety in the sea of all the others that are corrupt and degenerate. What a spectacular display of self-obsession.
You don't need religion to have morality, you don't need to pray to accept your life as it is, and you don't need God to care about other people. And just because you "ask questions" and claim you're not ignorant clearly doesn't mean a thing.
The only people predicting (and privately rooting for) the end of the world are Judeo-Christian faiths, not atheists. We're not helped by religion, we're crippled by it. Good Friday to you.
By: SpyPlaneX1
Re: Holy Bible: Epic Fail
Most of what you are saying doesn't make any sense. The justification only comes after questioning things. Isn't that the same as the scientific method you all praise? You question things, look for evidence, then come to a conclusion, and justify your conclusions. Where did I say "how can we know anything"?
I never said I don't believe in absolutes. I was pointing out the irony of the phrase. Examine the rock star lifestyle; someone who has lived the life of excess. Have you seen how many of them eventually settle down and are happier than ever. Experience changes us all. God has experience you can't fathom. You don't realize how the most trivial things can't be catastrophic in the future if left untouched. But you don't care, because you'll be dead by then anyway. Typical mortal attitude and why you don't understand God's ways. I have studied the past to understand the future. The Bible preaches "love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control." - Galatians 5:22. If mankind actually lived by these principles, we wouldn't have many of the problems we do. Or do you disagree?
I accept miracles, true. You think life happened by accident. You have no proof whatsoever and demand I show proof of miracles. Seems unfair.
God does not know the future, but has the ability to foresee it. His time is independent of ours. Think of life as a videogame with various save files throughout. Where in God can revert to any previous time and we would never know. God doesn't want to know the future of all things because that would ruin the story being told, but he can choose to fast forward and see how certain events will transpire. The Bible speaks of the future in past tense because God already knows the path we are on. The Bible says that if God hadn't stepped in, man would have wiped himself off the face of the Earth. The way we pollute this planet and consume it's natural resources is proof of this not to mention weapons of mass destruction. But you don't care, you already accept your mortality.
Self-obsession? You think confidence and arrogance are the same? You think there is no right way? You speak of reason and evidence and yet embrace uncertainty.
Correct, you don't need religion for the reasons you stated. But man can't fix the worlds problems, only God. Only God can bring back dead loved ones. In a perfect world where people can live forever, this system of man ruling the world will all be a bad dream. A bad dream only brought to mind when people question if we actually need God.
The end of the world isn't about destroying Earth or all life. It is about ending man's pitiful attempt at self rule. You put FAITH in man, I put FAITH in God. If you accept your mortality then fine. Don't complain about religions if you accept you'll die anyway. You have no control over when you will die, whether it be today, tomorrow, or decades from now. Don't say God doesn't exist and then blame him for religions role in the world. It is as if to say that if there was no God, there would be no religions....but you insist there is no God, yet religions still exist. In a few centuries or millenniums, you'll have been wiped off history's pages.
Religion offers hope. From a mathematical probability point of view, having belief in one religion is better than having no belief at all. What harm is there in believing?
I never said I don't believe in absolutes. I was pointing out the irony of the phrase. Examine the rock star lifestyle; someone who has lived the life of excess. Have you seen how many of them eventually settle down and are happier than ever. Experience changes us all. God has experience you can't fathom. You don't realize how the most trivial things can't be catastrophic in the future if left untouched. But you don't care, because you'll be dead by then anyway. Typical mortal attitude and why you don't understand God's ways. I have studied the past to understand the future. The Bible preaches "love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control." - Galatians 5:22. If mankind actually lived by these principles, we wouldn't have many of the problems we do. Or do you disagree?
I accept miracles, true. You think life happened by accident. You have no proof whatsoever and demand I show proof of miracles. Seems unfair.
God does not know the future, but has the ability to foresee it. His time is independent of ours. Think of life as a videogame with various save files throughout. Where in God can revert to any previous time and we would never know. God doesn't want to know the future of all things because that would ruin the story being told, but he can choose to fast forward and see how certain events will transpire. The Bible speaks of the future in past tense because God already knows the path we are on. The Bible says that if God hadn't stepped in, man would have wiped himself off the face of the Earth. The way we pollute this planet and consume it's natural resources is proof of this not to mention weapons of mass destruction. But you don't care, you already accept your mortality.
Self-obsession? You think confidence and arrogance are the same? You think there is no right way? You speak of reason and evidence and yet embrace uncertainty.
Correct, you don't need religion for the reasons you stated. But man can't fix the worlds problems, only God. Only God can bring back dead loved ones. In a perfect world where people can live forever, this system of man ruling the world will all be a bad dream. A bad dream only brought to mind when people question if we actually need God.
The end of the world isn't about destroying Earth or all life. It is about ending man's pitiful attempt at self rule. You put FAITH in man, I put FAITH in God. If you accept your mortality then fine. Don't complain about religions if you accept you'll die anyway. You have no control over when you will die, whether it be today, tomorrow, or decades from now. Don't say God doesn't exist and then blame him for religions role in the world. It is as if to say that if there was no God, there would be no religions....but you insist there is no God, yet religions still exist. In a few centuries or millenniums, you'll have been wiped off history's pages.
Religion offers hope. From a mathematical probability point of view, having belief in one religion is better than having no belief at all. What harm is there in believing?
By: digitalprime
Re: Holy Bible: Epic Fail
What then, is it about? Where does faith originate? If you believe that God just gave it to you, what makes you more deserving than the next? Why would God only choose to give Christian faith to only a minor percentage of the Earth's population? The idea that you believe "just because you do" is not justification enough. A schizophrenic really has faith that those voices he hears are coming from the squirrels.
Re: Holy Bible: Epic Fail
To be honest, I never understood why a God who doesn't show favoritism had a chosen people. It seemed a bit hypocritical. But keeping with the belief that humans are being tested as to whether or not they are capable of ruling this planet, the Jews can be viewed as a control group.
Scientists will often study various groups. When testing a medicine, one group gets the real thing while another gets a placebo.
God chose the Jews as way of comparing them with other cultures. Unlike many other cultures, the Jews actually recorded their failures. Other cultures focused exclusively on their triumphs. We can learn from the Jews mistakes.
One thing I've learned from studying the Jews in the Bible is that there was always a cycle of responsible/irresponsible generations. Not literal generations, but time periods. One group lived the hard life and worked hard for a better future. When that dream was attained, their children grew up not appreciating what they had. Over a period of time, they took life for granted and threw everything away. Then the later generations had to suffer and pick up the pieces. They worked for a better future and the cycle continued. It still goes on til this day. It is why governments fail and new ones rise up.
The Bible says the dead will be acquitted of their sins. All those nations in the past that were considered wicked, will have a second chance. We all have history to learn from. Besides, the Jews did accept foreignors into their government. The Jews even had a group called the Nethinim which would help the Levites in temple duties.
Scientists will often study various groups. When testing a medicine, one group gets the real thing while another gets a placebo.
God chose the Jews as way of comparing them with other cultures. Unlike many other cultures, the Jews actually recorded their failures. Other cultures focused exclusively on their triumphs. We can learn from the Jews mistakes.
One thing I've learned from studying the Jews in the Bible is that there was always a cycle of responsible/irresponsible generations. Not literal generations, but time periods. One group lived the hard life and worked hard for a better future. When that dream was attained, their children grew up not appreciating what they had. Over a period of time, they took life for granted and threw everything away. Then the later generations had to suffer and pick up the pieces. They worked for a better future and the cycle continued. It still goes on til this day. It is why governments fail and new ones rise up.
The Bible says the dead will be acquitted of their sins. All those nations in the past that were considered wicked, will have a second chance. We all have history to learn from. Besides, the Jews did accept foreignors into their government. The Jews even had a group called the Nethinim which would help the Levites in temple duties.
By: digitalprime
Re: Holy Bible: Epic Fail
Holy crap (pun pun) an Atheist post that didn't come from spam_vigilante!!
All of you people take yourselves far too seriously.
All of you people take yourselves far too seriously.
By: ejayerik
Re: Holy Bible: Epic Fail
You wouldn't be saying that if you were as important as we are, puny human.
By: SpyPlaneX1
Re: Holy Bible: Epic Fail
Yeah, I needed to take a break from that genre. Besides, Jaxon subscribed to all my best feeds and posts them these days. :-p
By: spam_vigilante
Re: Holy Bible: Epic Fail
Have you ever clicked 'My Account' then 'My Comments?' Pot, meet kettle.
