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Using Common Sense to Debunk Evolution
Pat Robertson interviews evangelist and author Ray Comfort about how Christians can use logic to point Darwin followers to God. See how Ray Comfort debunks evolution and Darwinism in an interview on The 700 Club.

9:10 of jaw-dropping insanity.
Mar 3, 2009 1:49 PM
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He's got an English accent...and he interviewed college students...he must be telling the truth! Gosh, I wonder why he didn't show the part where he convinced the college professors with his "common sense." Huh. Guess I should leave the thinking to him.
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I believe it's an Aussie or Kiwi accent, but you're exactly right. Off the top of my head, I can come up with half a dozen reasons those 'man on the street' interviews are just ridiculous. For instance, you don't test the merit of an argument against the least informed person. But I also just love the idea that the "no female" idea Comfort loves to point out sounds insane to him, yet a woman magically turning into a pillar of salt sounds A-OK.

(Let it be noted that his male without a female idea isn't how natural selection works.)
By: Oh-Deeh
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Shit, you're absolutely right. I've even been to New Zealand.
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Hahaha... aww, this is just adorable! I would love to take apart Ray Comfort's arguments, but would rather just like to sit here and fantasize about his reaction if someone proposed our children said "...Under Vishnu." in the pledge of elegance.
By: Oh-Deeh
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Tards are funny! Mmmm... Bananas...

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I like how he uses the example of a dog (3:00). Apparently he's never noticed that dogs are domesticated, just like bananas.

So Ray, was the first French poodle male or female?

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I'd like to meet Ray.

His "interviewing" method is certainly effective on thick individuals like himself, but if he's ever up against Hitchens or Dawkins his "logic" falls apart rather easily. Even those two young Athiests that debated himself and his boy-wonder sidekick at that University one time did a fair job at disputing his illogical arguments (when he gave them a chance to, at least.)

Every building has builders because we made it so, you cowardly little man. An inanimate object is not an organism, so stop equating it to one.
By: Shiggety
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I'm sure he got lots of interviews from people who weren't quite so dumb. I'd do an on-camera interview with him, but somehow, I just can't see it making the cut for the 700 Club.

Here's a good'un from Ray: 0:45 "'Cuz I'm trying to think. Here is this sort of animal who's coming out of the ocean without lungs. So he comes out with gills, and goes gasp, gasp, gasp, runs back to water, and just keeps coming out until lungs develop."

Time to read a second book, Ray.

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He challenged Dawkins to a debate and offered to pay him something like $10K. Dawkins' counteroffer was $100K to the Richard Dawkins Foundation. I don't think Comfort ever came up with the money.
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Isn't it odd that these religious folks often surround themselves with genitals? And what's this 700 Club thing? Sounds like a brothel.
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I always hate it when they say atheist and agnostics have no morals or values. It's childish, I don't need the ever looming breath in my neck from big brother to keep my act straight (I'm not 5 years old).

From that expression it always seems to me that the only thing refraining a Christian from going on a murderous rampage is that they think they'll burn forever in hell (or in purgatory) for doing so. That would make all Christians dangerous psychotics.
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A cursory examination of world history would seem to support your hypothesis.

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http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/150471/detail/
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Kohlberg stages of morality.
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"... we dont need to be intimidated by ATHEIST , THEYRE NOT INTELLIGENT ..."

must be talking about einstein, t jefferson, c sagan, and of course darwin.

well there you go. another brilliant example of blatant stupidity.

By: buttPLuG
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Deist, Deist, atheist, agnostic
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The ending unnerved me...do they really see us (people of reason & logic) as "Bad Guys"!???
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Yes, they do.
By: Helpcall
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I have heard the Ford truck argument. Ironically, the Ford truck evolved over the years, startign with a flimsy frame and "evolving" into what it is today. Debunked.
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Ray just told a lot of lies. Guess where he is going? He is going to hell in a banana peel. ;-)
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CBN really makes me mad....... stop adding those clips milkandcookies :)

Everytime i hear those arguments like "and suddenly the fish has lungs" i cant stop banging my head onto the table in front of me....
By: DerDobs
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Its good that they're posted on here, so they can be exposed. "The worst thing for a bad product is good advertising."
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Totally agree. These need to be posted. If you choose ignorance just because it's easier then you may as well have been the one who made the video.
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This is the same ignorant dipshit that claimed bananas - modern, yellow, seedless bananas - were proof that god created us everything, since the banana fit "perfectly" in the human hand.

The modern seedless banana has been engineered over hundreds of years, by HUMANS, to look and taste as it does. A wild banana in it's natural form doesn't work at all for Ray's "demonstration" and just goes to show how much of a dumbass he really is.

If that's not enough, he and Kirk Cameron are like BFF's.
By: decavolt
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According to popular culture, monkeys eat bananas.

I think Comfort accidentally shot himself in the foot by proving human evolution.
By: twent4
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I've been dead. They shocked me 12 times to bring me back. There's nothing over there. I've been there, when you die you are dead.
By: Boglin
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But of course, sir! If you don't have Jesus in your life, naturally you're not going to experience anything but darkness in the afterlife!
By: Overmann
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I'd think all that fire would cast a lot of light.
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Ah ha! But I handpick the passages of the Bible that suggest Hell is a place of eternal darkness (Matthew 8:12 and 22:13)! You can do that, you know - choose which passages you subscribe to. I find it's very useful for winning arguments on-line...
By: Overmann
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I know. If I had to pay attention to the shellfish passage, I'd be in trouble.
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...And if I couldn't point to the slavery passages, I'd be in even more trouble!

PS-Business is good.
By: Oh-Deeh
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Why is this guy talking about a lack of evidence regarding evolution? Last time I checked, there hasn't been any proof in the existence of god. God only shows himself to certain people. Today, we call these people crazy,

If I understand the idea of evolution correctly, life probably began as some type of single cell organism which can reproduce by itself by splitting in half. I don't think the first organism would have been complicated enough to be male or female.

I must admit the idea that evolution seems unlikely at first glance. But what if the universe is too LARGE and has more matter than humans can comprehend? If this is the case, then it could be highly probable that a simple organism could spontaneously/randomly be created, survive and reproduce.
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The theory of evolution says nothing about how life began. It only describes how life can proliferate into many different forms over time. Abiogenesis is the study of how life on Earth might have begun.

These preachers like to conflate the Big Bang theory, evolution, abiogenesis, accretion, thermodynamics... well pretty much all science under the label of evolution. And then they hang the whole package from Charles Darwin's neck and draw on little horns and a dunce cap, since they seem to need a person to vilify.

Just once I'd like to see a creationist with a high-school understanding of science, but sadly, there seem to be none. Or maybe they could debate a scientist using theological arguments. They might look less idiotic if they get home-court advantage.

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I used to consider myself a Creationist but then I looked at the definition. I guess you really can't believe in both Evolution and Creationism.
By: Raikou
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The original theory doesn't include the origin of life, but contemporary evolution explains how replicator molecules slowly became life.
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The theory of evolution is generally intended to apply only to biological systems. The word 'evolution' can be properly applied to any sort of emergent system, natural or engineered. It can even be applied to any system that exhibits change over time for any reason.

An understanding of natural selection can inspire understanding of chemical evolution, technological evolution, cultural evolution, and so on, but the "theory of evolution" is limited in scope.

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Rabble rabble rabble.
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I see a lot of folks attacking the messenger, but I see no one debating the points he raised.

"English accent - he must be right"

"Bla bla bla"

Why no discussion about how something that lives underwater can move onto land. How? That point where a creature gets air from water to when it breaths air from lungs has to happen in one generation, right?

The eye and ear really get me. How in the world can an eye develop through macro evolution? It is simply to complex, with light sensors, optic nerve, a brain that can interpret signals, ect. There are hundreds - no thousands of parts to a working eye. And if any one of this is missing, then you have a blind critter.

Something of such complexity cannot evolve because there's no way to get from here ........................ to there, without passing thousands of steps in one step.

The villiage idiot (that's the moniker given to me by someone here) simply asks that you really think about it. Maybe not here in the forum, but just before you go to bed, when it's quiet and you have your thoughts to yourself. And be honest. I bet many of you would come to different conclusions from those taught to you in our outstanding, ahem, public schools.
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No one's debating his points because he's not really making any. Just going around posing surprise questions on people who don't really care. Then talking about how we must save the ignorant godless heathens by showing them how bad they really are. Such arrogance I have not seen in quite some time. But hey, he "is" the banana guy.

Now for something completely constructive:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/1/l_011_01.html

Google exists for a reason. You don't have to wait for people to bring the science to you.

By: Raikou
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There's even a diagram:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_eye
By: Raikou
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Ah yes, the "argument from intellectual laziness," as I like to call it: You don't understand, therefore it must be false.
By: quisph
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"Why no discussion about how something that lives underwater can move onto land. How?"

It's not discussed here because, in middle school science classes, they discuss animals that begin as water dwellers and develop into land dwellers in one lifespan. They're called frogs.

I mean, c'mon.
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And furthermore, it's best not to criticize other public schools when, apparently, yours sucked.
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We've covered the eye, even here on Milk and Cookies.

http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/106026/detail/

In my experience, ID/Creationists like to dismiss such things. For some reason, our evidence doesn't count when it makes sense.

And yes, this (evolution) is what I learned in public school, and my school district was the first in the country to go bankrupt. Richmond Unified, what what!

If you believe what you really believe, Sir, why are you trying to tell us what to believe? Shouldn't your faith be enough?

I am quite comfortable believing in evolution. I think it makes perfect sense. From fossils to antibiotics to flu to bacteria that eat nylon, testable, repeatable, follows a theory. I like that. Magic, that I'm not to keen on.

I'm a theist, too. That works for me.

What you believe in none of my fucking business. Your arrogant, smarmy preachiness and smugness bugs the fuck out of me though.
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Okay, I'll answer Ray Comfort's amazing new questions:

"Do you believe man evolved from apes?"

Homo Sapiens ARE classified as a species of ape. So I suppose since 20th, 19th, and 17th century humans were also homo sapiens, then the answer would be yes. We evolved from apes.

"When we were under the water do you think we had lungs or gills?"

Whenever I go swimming, I have lungs. I assume you do to, Ray.

"Do you think we could've evolved from horses?"

No, Mr. Comfort, horses are not an ancestor of primates. All living horse-like creatures share the Hyracotherium as a common ancestor, which is also not an ancestor of primates. However, horses and humans do share a very distant common mammalian ancestor, and * I * DON'T * KNOW * what it's called. I guess you got me, Ray.

"This animal that came out without lungs and then breathed and went back in -- was he male or female?"

Some of each. That would've been thousands or millions of individual animals. Some of these animals would've spent many generations taking slightly longer dry crawls (or slithers) than previous generations; others would've stayed close to the water most of the time. Of those taking longer walks, the ones with the better walking stamina would have had a survival advantage over those with a lower walking stamina, and thus more babies just like them. So the air lungs, the land legs, the sun skin, whatever added up to better walking stamina contributed more to shaping the next generation than did the lamer land traits.

There are many living animals that spend part of their life-cycle in water and part on land. Sea turtles only leave the water to bury eggs. Most frogs live near water, their larva have gills, and the adults have lungs. Some species of frog ("toads") are almost fully terrestrial. Newts spend their larval stage in water, their juvenile stage on land, and their adulthood in water. Mudskippers are a fully amphibious fish.

The process of speciation does not happen when one individual is born as the sole member of a brand new species. It happens when a bunch of animals live in isolation from a bunch of other animals just like them. The two populations begin to be slightly different. The longer they're separated, the more different they get. After only a few dozen generations, they might only be able to interbreed with difficulty. After a few hundred generations separated, they may be completely incapable of interbreeding. This has been observed in farm animals (sheep) and in the laboratory (fruit flies). No-one's actually watched this happen in the wild, but there's really no great mystery in the mechanism.

There's also a concept called "ring species." Larus gulls live in northern latitudes, but not inside the Arctic Circle. The English gulls can mate with the Canadian gulls, the Canadian gulls can mate with the Alaskan gulls, the Alaskan gulls can mate with the Siberian gulls, but the Siberian gulls can't mate with the English gulls. Speciation happens. We see it happening.

"Do you think God had anything to do with this?"

Well that depends, Mr. Comfort. Is your god a delegator or a micromanager?

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loqi, well put.

I can't stand Ray comfort; he talks a big game but he doesn't understand the most basic tenets of biology and science...

I like how he says everything must have a creator. Every building has a builder...yada yada yada. As far as I know, every human child has a mother. Following his logic, doesn't that undercut concept of adam and eve?
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"Do you think God had anything to do with this?"

Well that depends, Mr. Comfort. Is your god a delegator or a micromanager?

***

That was very clever. I don't know if it's original to you, but I'm certainly going to use it myself.
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Use it wisely, young Padawan.

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So let me sum up my experience upon clicking here.

"Oh, it's that banana guy, fuck this."
By: Faffy
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Let's not generalize too much. My initial reaction was more like "Damn, I really wish the peanut butter dude showed up."
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They could intelligently design me a PB&B sandwich any day. But that's about as far as I'd trust them.
By: Faffy
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Eww.

Faffy, do you have any idea where Ray Comfort's fingers have been? The maker of the fingers, Almighty God has designed them with the perfect shape for making sandwiches, among other things.

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I disagree. I think it's obvious that the peanut butter, jelly and bread were intelligently designed to streamline the sandwich making process.

Only smooth peanut butter, of course. Chunky peanut butter is clearly the result of the Intelligent Designer hittin' the sauce a little too hard.
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Satan is responsible for chunky peanut butter.

By: ice-9
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Satan loves this thread. Gives me more hits. ;-)

C'mon, there ain't no Satan. There is no God. There is a Heaven and a Hell. It's here on Earth for those who create either one for themselves.

-SV. MMIX
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"People don't think very deeply"

Wow. The level of delusion in this mans mind is epic. I wonder if he even understands the scientific method.
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I think this guy's a fake. I'm guessing he just figured out a good way to scam money from a lot of religious people. (Either that or he's an atheist trying to make religious ppl look even more stupid, although this is far less likely)

He probably got the idea from Bill O'Reilly.
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I often wonder the same thing... I wonder if he's an ingenious, extremely disciplined prankster, in the mode of Andy Kaufman, infiltrating the bottom-feeders of fundamentalism for the purposes of sabotage and amusement.

He seems way too stupid to be for real. Even the dumber of the Creationist crowd are not quite as dumb as him...
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You've run into Poe's Law here. It is virtually impossible to distinguish parody from reality when it comes to fundamentalism.

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe%27s_Law
By: TXOgre
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Thank you for that... very useful.

I'm actually in a strange ideological space with regards to religion -- not hostile to it, often sympathetic to it, not really a believer, but sometimes envious of believers, but always hostile to fundamentalism, and annoyed at everyone on all sides for the gross failure to understand religion in its historical context...
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He doesn't seem to bothered about offending other religions does he ? It's all about Christ. Not Allah or Mohammad or Abraham.

How many times has he kept the Sabbath holy ? Jesus was Jewish, he did his whole jewish thing with the sabbath. Why aren't Christians ? 9 outta 10 commandments just don't cut it with God in the way of his thinking.
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