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Connecticut Forum panelists, Rabbi Harold Kushner, Rev. Peter Gomes and Christopher Hitchens answer the question, "Why do good things happen to bad people?"
Feb 8, 2009 4:46 AM
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Keep an eye out for Hitchen's next book: How to make religious people really uncomfortable.
By: Faffy
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Circumcision is foul and disgusting, Chris is right about that!
By: TeeheeRuler
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StrangeAttractor, let me introduce you to something. It's called 'taking a shower'.
By: MisterJingo
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Obviously StrangeAttractor hasn't had much experience with penises OR showers...
By: TeeheeRuler
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Boy, I made the mistake of looking that one up on Wikipedia. Thanks for the full color, 622 X 628 pixel photo illustration at the top of the article, Wikipedia contributors!
By: Oh-Deeh
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"An early study by Plaut and Kohn-Speyer (1947)[11] found that horse smegma had a carcinogenic effect on mice. Heins et al.(1958)[12] used human smegma on mice and found a carcinogenic effect..."
Couple questions here:
1) Is this true?
1) How did they use horse/human smegma on mice? Fully immersed into it, or by digestion?
2) Why????? What were they trying to prove?
Couple questions here:
1) Is this true?
1) How did they use horse/human smegma on mice? Fully immersed into it, or by digestion?
2) Why????? What were they trying to prove?
By: flopnik
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they have a cure for that now its called take a bath (or shower if you will) ;)
By: meat
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My kid's teeth are getting kinda dirty. I've been thinking about maybe having his mouth removed.
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Wow, it always surprises me that this is topic people are almost as fanatical about as Macs vs PCs....
So, you are correct... I have little experience with penii (except my own) or smegma (because I am circumsized).
I may or may not bathe regularly, but smegma has no role in my life.
And I base my remarks on what women have said to me -- that they preferred circumsized men. Not all of these women were American; not all of them were sleeping with me.
I truly think equating it with female circumcision (removal of the clitoris) is excessive, and in fact disgusting. The real equivalent of female circumcision is if they removed the whole head of your cock.
Me? I lost a bit of skin, and frankly, I'm glad of it.
If you've still got yours, good for you. But make sure to take regular showers...
So, you are correct... I have little experience with penii (except my own) or smegma (because I am circumsized).
I may or may not bathe regularly, but smegma has no role in my life.
And I base my remarks on what women have said to me -- that they preferred circumsized men. Not all of these women were American; not all of them were sleeping with me.
I truly think equating it with female circumcision (removal of the clitoris) is excessive, and in fact disgusting. The real equivalent of female circumcision is if they removed the whole head of your cock.
Me? I lost a bit of skin, and frankly, I'm glad of it.
If you've still got yours, good for you. But make sure to take regular showers...
By: StrangeAttractor
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Nobody's saying more mutilation equals less mutilation.
There does exist a female operation that's roughly equivalent to the typical male circumcision. http://www.gynaecologists.co.uk/clitoral_hoodectomy.html
But only the worst kind of pervert would do a clitoral hoodectomy to a baby or a non-consenting woman. What can I say? I'm a fanatic.
There does exist a female operation that's roughly equivalent to the typical male circumcision. http://www.gynaecologists.co.uk/clitoral_hoodectomy.html
But only the worst kind of pervert would do a clitoral hoodectomy to a baby or a non-consenting woman. What can I say? I'm a fanatic.
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Well that was a lot more than I bargained for...
By: twentyfoseven
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Of course Christopher is absolutely right, the foreskin sometimes either shrinks or grows in a way that requires removal, but to do so as a standard practice or rite of passage is quite a barbaric/mediaeval/religious thing to do.
By: Fangface74
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New Commandment for the religious: Cut Off the Head* of Thine Newborn as the Sun Rises. Remove one of your other Commandments or holy rules in favor of this new one. (I've no doubt that it won't be missed, anyway.)
* This proposed edition comes with footnotes, to urge folks to keep them strictly to what is on the page and not what they think is written there. Thus: Head means "that which can be neatly severed at the neck; be sure to use sterilized kitchen utensil to prevent infections." See, you got to really rub their faces in it, or they will squirm out their duty, these religious folks. The deluxe edition contains a whole collector's section detailing various advice from God to His subjects, ranging from "It is Good to Live Deep Down Under the Earth, where the Sun Never Shines" to "The Sun Welcomes Thee with Its Generous Warmth (study page 1103 for how to build spaceships that automatically transfer you to the nearest star, one-way only)."
* This proposed edition comes with footnotes, to urge folks to keep them strictly to what is on the page and not what they think is written there. Thus: Head means "that which can be neatly severed at the neck; be sure to use sterilized kitchen utensil to prevent infections." See, you got to really rub their faces in it, or they will squirm out their duty, these religious folks. The deluxe edition contains a whole collector's section detailing various advice from God to His subjects, ranging from "It is Good to Live Deep Down Under the Earth, where the Sun Never Shines" to "The Sun Welcomes Thee with Its Generous Warmth (study page 1103 for how to build spaceships that automatically transfer you to the nearest star, one-way only)."
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I think it's an interesting and relevant point to relate male circumcision to female genital mutilation (FGM), but it don't think the two practices are on the same level of human rights violation. I do think male circumcision is a unnecessary ritual with little or no medical benefits, however the pain and sexual oppression involved in FGM exceeds this. I don't think it is right to decide for your infant son what to do with his body when he is too young to consent (as circumcision can be performed at a later age as well), but as to the argument that it reduces libido, I'm not sure how valid that is. As someone with sexual experience with both circumcised and uncircumcised men, I haven't noticed a difference in sexual desire or performance, but I don't refute this as a general phenomenon. There can be, however, little argument that FGM negatively effects female sexual pleasure and physical wellbeing when in the most extreme cases all of the exterior parts of the female genitalia is removed and the vagina is sewn up to a very small opening only allowing for menstruation. I do agree with the statement that both are morally questionable practices enforced by religion and culture, I just wanted to point out that the two practices are not exactly parallel.
By: keleona
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What a surprise, a girl eager to make statements about inequality. "You have no idea what pain is I have childbirth!" etc.
It wasn't a comparison, it was an example of taking something one step further. It's something that even the reverend would say is barbaric, which is what others would say about his practices.
It's the same kind of situation where you would ask someone why they believe in God so strongly, but think Thor is laughable.
It wasn't a comparison, it was an example of taking something one step further. It's something that even the reverend would say is barbaric, which is what others would say about his practices.
It's the same kind of situation where you would ask someone why they believe in God so strongly, but think Thor is laughable.
By: Faffy
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Girl (noun), according to Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary:
1a: a female child from birth to adulthood. b: daughter. c: a young unmarried woman. d (sometimes offensive): a single or married woman of any age.
2a: sweetheart. b (sometimes offensive): a female servant or employee.
I must warn you: if she bites, go for option 1c. It seems safest. Any other choice will result in bloodshed, I think; and while some do enjoy that sort of thing, as a moderator I am under strict orders to always preserve the peace at M&C. I am doing such a good job at that, I've no doubt you two will now proceed to wage a wild battle of wits instead of one in which blood and guts fly around. Your participation alone would be headline news in all major Japanese newspapers, as they like cute anime avatars over there, especially if these involve young girls (1a) with blue eyes (a rarity in Japan). Visitor numbers at M&C will skyrocket.
1a: a female child from birth to adulthood. b: daughter. c: a young unmarried woman. d (sometimes offensive): a single or married woman of any age.
2a: sweetheart. b (sometimes offensive): a female servant or employee.
I must warn you: if she bites, go for option 1c. It seems safest. Any other choice will result in bloodshed, I think; and while some do enjoy that sort of thing, as a moderator I am under strict orders to always preserve the peace at M&C. I am doing such a good job at that, I've no doubt you two will now proceed to wage a wild battle of wits instead of one in which blood and guts fly around. Your participation alone would be headline news in all major Japanese newspapers, as they like cute anime avatars over there, especially if these involve young girls (1a) with blue eyes (a rarity in Japan). Visitor numbers at M&C will skyrocket.
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Wow. Ok firstly I would not compare childbirth, something many women experience, to female genital mutilation, an extreme practice that few women experience. Secondly my comment was not a statement about gender equality at all, but rather about different levels of sexual repression in various practices. I understand the clip perfectly well and I'm not refuting what was said, I just making the dsitinction that the two practices are not interchangeable, as I have heard this comparison before. Your comment is both ignorant and dismissive of anything intelligent I might have had to say. So on account of all women, or "girls", who get shot down when trying to express some opinion slightly related to sex or gender, or more generally speaking, people who aren't assholes, I say "go fuck yourself."
As a side note, I thoroughly enjoyed the comment below by white wolf, you might want to listen to his advice ;)
As a side note, I thoroughly enjoyed the comment below by white wolf, you might want to listen to his advice ;)
By: keleona
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It's unfortunate that these "intelligent" things you had to say could not be found in the above.
Kudos on playing into the hand of the expected retort.
Kudos on playing into the hand of the expected retort.
By: Faffy
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This just in, MisterJingo has poor dental hygiene.
By: i8ursandwich
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Whether the statement made by Chris is a comparison or an example of taking something one step further is a matter of opinion. Only Chris knows for sure. There is no evidence provided that clearly points one way or the other. You, Faffy are a sweaty, obese child.
By: Ellowen_Diowen
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He said that slicing off part of baby boy's penis is a form of genital mutilation and that tearing off six-year-old girls underwear and cutting her genitalia with a sharp stone is also a form of genital mutilation. It's pretty tough to dispute either claim. He never said that what Jews usually do to boys is about the same as what certain Muslims usually do to girls.
6:25 - "Remember we are not talking about detail here. We're talking about whether religion makes people behave better or not."
But people really do rationalize infant male circumcision with reasoning along the lines of, "hey, it's not as bad as what even more backward people do to little girls in North Africa." Pretty weak.
6:25 - "Remember we are not talking about detail here. We're talking about whether religion makes people behave better or not."
But people really do rationalize infant male circumcision with reasoning along the lines of, "hey, it's not as bad as what even more backward people do to little girls in North Africa." Pretty weak.
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I apologize, my above comments don't add anything constructive to the site.
By: Faffy
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Hey...it's OK! I was not particularly constructive either...rather sidetracked to some wiki definition of smegma...
By: flopnik
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Yeah, we learned alot about smegma, today
By: NEU-NEU
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How do you like my lil' song?
To make smegma go away,
Take a shower every day!
If you ever skip a day,
There'll be smegma hell to pay!
To make smegma go away,
Take a shower every day!
If you ever skip a day,
There'll be smegma hell to pay!
By: keyser_soze
