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BBC Newsnight's Jeremy Paxman interviews neocon former US ambassador to the UN and Bush-buddy John Bolton, and crushes Bolton's false notions about Iraq (watch Bolton turn red).
Dec 30, 2008 2:06 PM
Re: The Madness of John Bolton
Was. The Chicken Walrus (as I call him) is a pathological liar and one of the neocon elites. He's also in Breaking the Silence (http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/120301/detail/).
Re: The Madness of John Bolton
Pssst. Here's a little tip: My question was rhetorical in nature. As a self-described political junkie I'm going to guess that I could name at least 20% of all Bush appointees (including the hundreds of fed judges).
By: spam_vigilante
Re: The Madness of John Bolton
John Bolton sounds like someone who is happy to let others fight for him.
By: DonGucciwearin
Re: The Madness of John Bolton
In spite of John Bolton's fallacy that an Iraqi tansitional authority would have been functional right off the bat amongt the ashes of a failed state in a region infected with Islamic fundamentalism , we have won the war. Patreaus and Gates have saved the day, I'm glad Obama is keeping them on.
By: poonhound
Re: The Madness of Claiming Victory
Please clarify. How have we won the war.
What defines winning? Was it the capture of Baghdad? That was accomplished in under three weeks. Why have we spent more than $10 billion a month just for the military (not including giveaways to Halliburton and Blackwater) in the almost seven years following?
What defines winning? Would it be a lack of insurgency? Are roadside bombs no longer being detonated? Is there any area of Iraq that you would feel safe strolling down the streets?
What defines winning? A puppet government installed that doesn't control the Shiite or Sadr militia, the Sunni warlords or the separatist Kurds?
I know what defines winning. A banner on the USS Lincoln. Or your saying so.
What defines winning? Was it the capture of Baghdad? That was accomplished in under three weeks. Why have we spent more than $10 billion a month just for the military (not including giveaways to Halliburton and Blackwater) in the almost seven years following?
What defines winning? Would it be a lack of insurgency? Are roadside bombs no longer being detonated? Is there any area of Iraq that you would feel safe strolling down the streets?
What defines winning? A puppet government installed that doesn't control the Shiite or Sadr militia, the Sunni warlords or the separatist Kurds?
I know what defines winning. A banner on the USS Lincoln. Or your saying so.
By: spam_vigilante
Re: The Madness of Claiming Victory
If you want to know what a victory looks like, its what you are seeing now.
To sum up, a functional Iraqi government that uses its power to successfully persecute terrorists in their midst, rather than support them.
You can keep telling yourself, "no end in sight," like the title of that documentary someone posted here a while back, but you would be deluding yourself.
Even Markos Zoulitas said last summer, when the Surge was showing tangible success, that the Iraq war and the new strategy was failing simply because he expected the violence to pick up again. Well, it didn't, and he hasn't said anything about his prediction since.
Thankfully, the media isn't reporting on Iraq anymore, because success isn't newsworthy. Nobody will actually know that victory is achieved so you don't have to swallow your pride. Just focus on Israel/Palestine now, or global corporations or something else until Obama takes over. Iraq is yesterday's news.
To sum up, a functional Iraqi government that uses its power to successfully persecute terrorists in their midst, rather than support them.
You can keep telling yourself, "no end in sight," like the title of that documentary someone posted here a while back, but you would be deluding yourself.
Even Markos Zoulitas said last summer, when the Surge was showing tangible success, that the Iraq war and the new strategy was failing simply because he expected the violence to pick up again. Well, it didn't, and he hasn't said anything about his prediction since.
Thankfully, the media isn't reporting on Iraq anymore, because success isn't newsworthy. Nobody will actually know that victory is achieved so you don't have to swallow your pride. Just focus on Israel/Palestine now, or global corporations or something else until Obama takes over. Iraq is yesterday's news.
By: poonhound
Re: The Madness of Claiming Victory
Okay buddy. Let me see if I can make this plain as day for you. My thinking is that your convoluted logic is fairly evident. But perhaps I need to place it in simpler terms for you. I've been wrong before so let's try a football game. You're a fan of career backup Steve DeBerg so Iam sure you can handle this. Let's say that you're getting trounced by halftime 27-3. Early in the third quarter, you have a Surge resulting in a couple of quick scores. You're now only down 27-17. But you consider this winning because you're not losing quite as badly.
What you fail to recognize is that the entire foray into Iraq by the neocon foolishness has resulted in nothing more than a recruiting tool for al Qaeda. There never were terrorists in Iraq until Shrub's invasion. Saddam Hussein snubbed the efforts of bin Laden long before Bush 43 ever took oath in early 2001. Saudi Arabia never wanted the assistance of bin Laden and spurned his every overture. The supposed meeting in Prague never happened. Even your pal Cheney admits this these days.
But hey, please keep the fiction coming.
Tangible success? Yeah, when I stop hitting myself in the head with a hammer it feels a lot better.
What you fail to recognize is that the entire foray into Iraq by the neocon foolishness has resulted in nothing more than a recruiting tool for al Qaeda. There never were terrorists in Iraq until Shrub's invasion. Saddam Hussein snubbed the efforts of bin Laden long before Bush 43 ever took oath in early 2001. Saudi Arabia never wanted the assistance of bin Laden and spurned his every overture. The supposed meeting in Prague never happened. Even your pal Cheney admits this these days.
But hey, please keep the fiction coming.
Tangible success? Yeah, when I stop hitting myself in the head with a hammer it feels a lot better.
By: spam_vigilante
Re: The Madness of John Bolton
Honestly, Poon, what defines how "we have won the war?"
I take a look outside my window to see the defeated financial state of the US and can't see that we've "won" anything.
Our global fall from power is no different from what happened to Russia - the only difference is that they militarily overspent themselves into a crash 17 years earlier...
And the US knows exactly where our future went - into the hands of an ever consolidated group of wealthy multinationals who grabbed our tax dollars hand over fist.
And as an aside, I'm not surprised to see your respect for Obama. I've heard that same sentiment from other folks who have supported neocons in the past.
For anyone who wasn't sure, Obama is and will be the neocon continuation of the banker/multinational decline of the United States from Reagan to Bush to Clinton to Cheney.
I take a look outside my window to see the defeated financial state of the US and can't see that we've "won" anything.
Our global fall from power is no different from what happened to Russia - the only difference is that they militarily overspent themselves into a crash 17 years earlier...
And the US knows exactly where our future went - into the hands of an ever consolidated group of wealthy multinationals who grabbed our tax dollars hand over fist.
And as an aside, I'm not surprised to see your respect for Obama. I've heard that same sentiment from other folks who have supported neocons in the past.
For anyone who wasn't sure, Obama is and will be the neocon continuation of the banker/multinational decline of the United States from Reagan to Bush to Clinton to Cheney.
Re: The Madness of John Bolton
I'd like to say, "That was disturbing" but since we are still living with the damage that people like Bolton have made, "was" is a little too optimistic.
I want to find the first person who took this bully seriously and kick them.
I want to find the first person who took this bully seriously and kick them.
By: HeideLeigh
