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A billboard with the message "Imagine No Religion" is no more.
Sign company General Outdoor removed the sign by the Freedom From Religion Foundation on Thursday after it received a request by the city to do so.
According to Redevelopment Director Linda Daniels, City Hall had received 90 calls of complaint since Wednesday.
"We contacted the sign company and asked if there was a way to get it removed," Daniels said.
The billboard - which went up last week on the southwest corner of Archibald Avenue and Foothill Boulevard - is part of a national billboard campaign by the Wisconsin-based group advocating the separation of church and state.
The foundation's co-president, Annie Laurie Gaylor, said the billboard is meant to encourage a debate on religion by using the John Lennon-inspired message.
Gaylor was shocked over the city's role in the billboard's demise.
"The city has no business suggesting our billboard be censored," Gaylor said. "They're not allowed to interfere over religious controversy."
It was the second billboard to come down following city request.
In September, the city asked a different sign company to take down an advertisement on Foothill Boulevard advertising a vagina rejuvenation procedure.
Daniels said the city did not demand General Outdoor take down the "Imagine No Religion" sign.
"We didn't say they had to (take it down), but they respected the
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concerns of residents," Daniels said.
The sign was the first in California for the foundation, whose members are atheists and agnostics.
Gaylor said sign companies have declined business before, but no company has taken down a sign after it went up.
The group currently has signs in Atlanta, Phoenix and Seattle.
"My gosh, we have a billboard in Colorado Springs right now, about a mile from Focus on the Family," said Gaylor, referring to the evangelical organization headquartered in Colorado Springs. "If we can have it in Colorado Springs, why not in Rancho Cucamonga? It doesn't speak well for the state of tolerance if you have to stifle your critics."
Peter Scheer, executive director of the California First Amendment Coalition, said the city's actions are "dangerously close" to censorship and a violation of the First Amendment.
"A city government has no business trying to dictate or influence the content of an advertising image, particularly one that's political and controversial as this is simply because some people don't like it and complained about it," Scheer said. "The whole point of the First Amendment is to protect speech that is unpopular, to protect the views that are in the political minority, as long as they don't cross the line and use the speech for some seriously unlawful purpose, which clearly did not happen here."
Scheer said the city may not have forced General Outdoor to take down the sign, but it's obvious the company did not act independently.
"It's pretty clear that if the city didn't pick up the phone, the image would still be there," Scheer said.
Sign company General Outdoor removed the sign by the Freedom From Religion Foundation on Thursday after it received a request by the city to do so.
According to Redevelopment Director Linda Daniels, City Hall had received 90 calls of complaint since Wednesday.
"We contacted the sign company and asked if there was a way to get it removed," Daniels said.
The billboard - which went up last week on the southwest corner of Archibald Avenue and Foothill Boulevard - is part of a national billboard campaign by the Wisconsin-based group advocating the separation of church and state.
The foundation's co-president, Annie Laurie Gaylor, said the billboard is meant to encourage a debate on religion by using the John Lennon-inspired message.
Gaylor was shocked over the city's role in the billboard's demise.
"The city has no business suggesting our billboard be censored," Gaylor said. "They're not allowed to interfere over religious controversy."
It was the second billboard to come down following city request.
In September, the city asked a different sign company to take down an advertisement on Foothill Boulevard advertising a vagina rejuvenation procedure.
Daniels said the city did not demand General Outdoor take down the "Imagine No Religion" sign.
"We didn't say they had to (take it down), but they respected the
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concerns of residents," Daniels said.
The sign was the first in California for the foundation, whose members are atheists and agnostics.
Gaylor said sign companies have declined business before, but no company has taken down a sign after it went up.
The group currently has signs in Atlanta, Phoenix and Seattle.
"My gosh, we have a billboard in Colorado Springs right now, about a mile from Focus on the Family," said Gaylor, referring to the evangelical organization headquartered in Colorado Springs. "If we can have it in Colorado Springs, why not in Rancho Cucamonga? It doesn't speak well for the state of tolerance if you have to stifle your critics."
Peter Scheer, executive director of the California First Amendment Coalition, said the city's actions are "dangerously close" to censorship and a violation of the First Amendment.
"A city government has no business trying to dictate or influence the content of an advertising image, particularly one that's political and controversial as this is simply because some people don't like it and complained about it," Scheer said. "The whole point of the First Amendment is to protect speech that is unpopular, to protect the views that are in the political minority, as long as they don't cross the line and use the speech for some seriously unlawful purpose, which clearly did not happen here."
Scheer said the city may not have forced General Outdoor to take down the sign, but it's obvious the company did not act independently.
"It's pretty clear that if the city didn't pick up the phone, the image would still be there," Scheer said.
Aug 31, 2009 1:25 PM
Re: Religion Kills Free Speech
Interesting that the video was obviously originally posted by an upset Christian who wants people to harass General Advertising, yet it's posted here by Spam, someone who usually supports free thinking.
By: Oh-Deeh
Re: Religion Kills Free Speech
Are you sure? I thought they put General Advertising's contact info there so people could complain that they took the sign down.
By: Epic_Thud
Re: Religion Kills Free Speech
Considering where I lifted the link from, yeah. I'm guessing your take is a little more on the side of accuracy.
No matter, as even though I'm more often than not in disagreement with Glenn Beck or Bill Orally, I've posted clips of their acts.
No matter, as even though I'm more often than not in disagreement with Glenn Beck or Bill Orally, I've posted clips of their acts.
By: spam_vigilante
Re: Religion Kills Free Speech
I wasn't saying there was a conflict in you posting it. But I'm pretty sure that's Christian "rock" we're forced to listen to at the end of the video. That's what I based my hypothesis on.
By: Oh-Deeh
Re: Religion Kills Free Speech
I take it all back.
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Paper-Jesus-lyrics-Staind/3F3D8DE379C7F55D48257051000B6E7C
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Paper-Jesus-lyrics-Staind/3F3D8DE379C7F55D48257051000B6E7C
By: Oh-Deeh
Re: Religion Kills Free Speech
They have just as much right to put up that sign as Christians do when put up some evangelical billboard. I'm usually against both but if one may do it so may the other. However, naming the organization "freedom from religion" and the billboard that said "beware of dogma" is being a bit aggressive.
By: cheezsteak
Re: Religion Kills Free Speech
I'm not sure how those phrases could be considered aggressive - unless you believe that any challenge whatsoever to your own world view is a threat. As has been said before, I have seen far more aggressive and inflammatory Christian billboards.
By: chronomitch
Re: Religion Kills Free Speech
It's only agressive if it has anything to do with atheism, rationality, logic, freedom of speech, or science.
Otherwise it's just religious folk expressing their fair point of view! No double standard to see here folks, just keep moving.
Otherwise it's just religious folk expressing their fair point of view! No double standard to see here folks, just keep moving.
By: McCorvic
Re: Religion Kills Free Speech
The ivy covered liquor store they were interviewing in front of is where I used buy booze on the way to my girlfriend's house every night. And on the way back every morning. Wow, I drink and screw a lot. Atheism rocks!
By: Jupitermuke
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:)
I forgot.. christians don't drink alcohol and don't have sex with their girlfriends/wives/hookers/little children.
I forgot.. christians don't drink alcohol and don't have sex with their girlfriends/wives/hookers/little children.
By: wadadde
Re: Religion Kills Free Speech
A bad atheist? What a wonderful idea! First there has to be an admission what is bad, like morally bad, religion bad, one has to stick to commandments bad, society bad? As to the add... come on... it could have been freedom of thought, happy and fun like "the choice is free choice, a God given right" but no they decided to go dark and dreary. Boring, predicable also predicable response, sort of like kicking a tiger, all gone, just memory and blog postings remain.
By: imkoan
Re: Religion Kills Free Speech
Don't worry. "Freedom From Chr..." er, I mean the "Freedom From Religion" organization won't be putting up billboards near any mosques in places like Dearborn Michigan where atheists are forced to hear the Muzzein electronically broadcast 5-times a day.
They know who they can offend and who they can't.
They know who they can offend and who they can't.
By: poonhound
Re: Religion Kills Free Speech
Christianity is the most overwhelmingly influecial relgion in the US and tends to influence US politics much moreso than others. So it makes sense that atheists (at least here) have less reason to fight against religious minorities like Muslims when they have substantially less effect on government policy.
By: keleona
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I like that word you used there: influecial. It's like influenza and fecal combined, and I detect traces of facial, which probably has to do with the Pope's anti-aging cream. Very apt usage when talking about Christianity. I applaud thee. Not sure what to think of moreso. Sounds like a Spanish sauce. Probably not too bad. Please elucidate.
Re: Religion Kills Free Speech
Questioning a belief system requires the effort of critical thought. Most people embrace religion to avoid thinking. To them "God" IS the answer. So getting them to imagine no religion is just wasting your advertising dollars. I'd say the sign company did the client a favor. Religion killed "paid for" speech - money refunded.
By: awfabee
Re: Religion Kills Free Speech
People make too big of a deal about the dumbest things. First, the residents and government of the city make too big of a deal over the sign. Then, this show makes too big of a deal about the sign being taken down.
Free Speech has "died" in this country many times over in more egregious ways than this. I think it still has a few lives left. If it's running low, we can feed some of the green mushrooms growing in my backyard...
Free Speech has "died" in this country many times over in more egregious ways than this. I think it still has a few lives left. If it's running low, we can feed some of the green mushrooms growing in my backyard...
By: Deh_Dude
