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Did these comedians rip Bill Hicks off?
Oct 30, 2008 8:23 AM
Re: Did These Comedians Rip Bill Hicks off?
Comedy goes through cycles and old jokes are constantly being revamped and retold. I never really heard much of Bill Hicks(at least not told by him), though I've heard much about him.
Having said that, I do think it is wrong for comedians to steal other working comedians jokes. Feel free to dredge up something a deceased or no longer working comedian is using, because he/she is not making a living off of it.
However, stealing a working comedians content is like walking into their house while they are eating dinner, pushing them out of their chair and sitting down to eat their dinner. It's rude, ignorant and they should have their balls ripped off.
Two of the worst transgressors of this today are Dane Cook and Carlos Mencia.
Having said that, I do think it is wrong for comedians to steal other working comedians jokes. Feel free to dredge up something a deceased or no longer working comedian is using, because he/she is not making a living off of it.
However, stealing a working comedians content is like walking into their house while they are eating dinner, pushing them out of their chair and sitting down to eat their dinner. It's rude, ignorant and they should have their balls ripped off.
Two of the worst transgressors of this today are Dane Cook and Carlos Mencia.
By: poolaka
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Here-here! Mencia is especially bad about taking a working comedian's jokes, and worse, telling them without the same sense of style, timing, or any appreciation for subtlety. If anything, I'll give Mencia props for making a living telling the same jokes I stopped getting laughs off of when I was in seventh grade. "Oh look, a retard! Dee de dee!" Clever, 'Carlos.'
And to continue what you were saying, you could make a compilation like this for George Burns, Red Fox, Milton Burl, Richard Pryor, or any number of old-school comedians who've influenced the generations of comedians who've come after them. There is an aspect to comedy which allows a joke to be filtered through the comedian; sometimes the words can be almost identical, but a joke becomes new through the voice--the timing, characterization, etc--of a new teller. 'The Aristocrats' is probably the clearest example of this personalization juxtaposed with repetition.
And to continue what you were saying, you could make a compilation like this for George Burns, Red Fox, Milton Burl, Richard Pryor, or any number of old-school comedians who've influenced the generations of comedians who've come after them. There is an aspect to comedy which allows a joke to be filtered through the comedian; sometimes the words can be almost identical, but a joke becomes new through the voice--the timing, characterization, etc--of a new teller. 'The Aristocrats' is probably the clearest example of this personalization juxtaposed with repetition.
By: Oh-Deeh
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'The Aristocrats' is not necessarily the best example, at least in terms of a comic using another comic's material.
The Aristocrats is essentially a communal joke by comedians and largely for comedians. Think of it as a Creative Commons joke.
Aside from that clarification, I agree with you about the rest.
The Aristocrats is essentially a communal joke by comedians and largely for comedians. Think of it as a Creative Commons joke.
Aside from that clarification, I agree with you about the rest.
By: poolaka
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You should definitely check out Bill Hicks, he was a genius.
Most of these comparisons are reaching though Leary is a hack.
Most of these comparisons are reaching though Leary is a hack.
By: DaveoftheRave
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Some of those ones really looked like rip-off, except Lewis Black at the end...I would give him credit for delivery and it seems to be fairly his own...other ones are not my favourite comedians...and they most likely used a lot of Bill Hicks...
By: flopnik
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Do a search for Hicks here. We have a ton.
As for the stealing, you prety much said everything that I could possibly add except for one thing: Sometimes it's just the genre of the joke. I mean, there will forever be routines about drugs, politics, war, prostitution, etc. Just because the delivery or material are similar from one guy to another that there is eidence of plagiarism. Just a thought.
Oh, and Leary stole more from Hicks than anyone alive or dead.
As for the stealing, you prety much said everything that I could possibly add except for one thing: Sometimes it's just the genre of the joke. I mean, there will forever be routines about drugs, politics, war, prostitution, etc. Just because the delivery or material are similar from one guy to another that there is eidence of plagiarism. Just a thought.
Oh, and Leary stole more from Hicks than anyone alive or dead.
By: spam_vigilante
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George Burns was once asked what he thought of Bob Hope's act. His reply:
"I loved it when I saw Milton Berle doing it a week ago."
"I loved it when I saw Milton Berle doing it a week ago."
By: Spankywzl
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ManSteelya's real name is NED Ryerson, and he's half German!! He even stole himself!!
By: LifeinPictures
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Eh, most of those are pretty vague.
Ie, any comedian who's going to bring up Keith Richard's is inevitably going to make a joke about drugs.
Any comedian who's going to make fun of creationism is going to pick up on the 12,000 years thing (though I thought they are currently saying it's 6k?).
Dennis Miller was the only one that stood out to me, it seemed to be the same almost word for word.
Ie, any comedian who's going to bring up Keith Richard's is inevitably going to make a joke about drugs.
Any comedian who's going to make fun of creationism is going to pick up on the 12,000 years thing (though I thought they are currently saying it's 6k?).
Dennis Miller was the only one that stood out to me, it seemed to be the same almost word for word.
By: hypersapien
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No matter how hard I try, I can’t stand Dennis Miller...this one will make it even harder to listen to his stuff.
By: flopnik
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No matter how hard I try, I can’t stand Dennis Miller...this one will make it even harder to listen to his stuff.
By: flopnik
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The only time I've really enjoyed Dennis Miller, was during his SNL days. I enjoyed his weekend update.
He lost 10 octaves of funny when he did any non-SNL stuff. Even when he was doing the same bits.
He lost 10 octaves of funny when he did any non-SNL stuff. Even when he was doing the same bits.
By: poolaka
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Bill Hicks was wildly original as a comedian. People really did rip him off a lot. In George Carlin's case I think he just forget that it was a Hicks joke in his old age, and thought it was his idea.
Re: Did These Comedians Rip Bill Hicks off?
Lewis Black is real deal too.
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I'm sorry, but I just have to point out how awful your grammar always is. If for no other reason than because you're a McCain supporter. I would just like to find someone I respect who is supporting him.
...The search continues.
...The search continues.
By: Oh-Deeh
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The Melting Penguin isn't a McCain supporter, surely? He's too smart for that sort of nonsense.
Re: Did These Comedians Rip Bill Hicks off?
you know, i dropped out of high school so im not 100% sure, but i believe that your comment critiquing grammar was... incorrect. i will attempt to rewrite it using my memory from english 1 from 20 years ago.
Im sorry, but i feel compelled to illuminate the mistakes in your usage of grammar, if for no other reason than you support for John McCain. I would really like to find someone i can respect that supports him.
im hoping someone comes along and corrects me just to make a point, or to beat a dead horse;p
never attack the words themselves, words are just used to convey ideas. ideas matter, how they are expressed.... not so much
Im sorry, but i feel compelled to illuminate the mistakes in your usage of grammar, if for no other reason than you support for John McCain. I would really like to find someone i can respect that supports him.
im hoping someone comes along and corrects me just to make a point, or to beat a dead horse;p
never attack the words themselves, words are just used to convey ideas. ideas matter, how they are expressed.... not so much
By: chimmeychango
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im Fixx - Everyone's Dad made that joke at the breakfast table the day after it happened.
Good people assassinated - Heck, there's a line in the Hitchhiker's trilogy about that: "And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change..."
Keith Richards = Drugs. I knew that before I'd heard a single Stones song. Oddly enough, Leary actually lifted this particular rap in it's entirety. Not sure why they didn't show it here.
AIDS cured - Dennis should stand trial for that one.
Good people assassinated - Heck, there's a line in the Hitchhiker's trilogy about that: "And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change..."
Keith Richards = Drugs. I knew that before I'd heard a single Stones song. Oddly enough, Leary actually lifted this particular rap in it's entirety. Not sure why they didn't show it here.
AIDS cured - Dennis should stand trial for that one.
By: shitba
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not sure what exactly you are arguing here? Seems like you're all over the place. Are you arguing for Hicks, or more for a lot of the jokes here were around before Hicks himself?
Anyway, regarding Hitchhiker's Guide, etc., I hope you're not arguing (and I don't think you are, but I'll bring it up anyway) that Douglas Adams got that joke from Hicks. Considering the original Hitchhiker's book was written in '79, there is no way he could have gotten that content from Hicks. Regarding that fact, I'll assume on this point that you are arguing that that joke was around before Hicks used it.
Anyway, regarding Hitchhiker's Guide, etc., I hope you're not arguing (and I don't think you are, but I'll bring it up anyway) that Douglas Adams got that joke from Hicks. Considering the original Hitchhiker's book was written in '79, there is no way he could have gotten that content from Hicks. Regarding that fact, I'll assume on this point that you are arguing that that joke was around before Hicks used it.
By: poolaka
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Hicks doesn't need anyone arguing for him. He did just fine on his own.
Two of his bits shown in the piece appear to have been lifted wholesale(Keith Richards by Denis Leary, AIDS Cure by Dennis Miller), but the rest were just generic.
Re: Douglas Adams. Yes, I'm arguing that the general theme predates Bill Hicks by a goodly space of time.
Denis Leary famously stole large portions of Bill's act. There are many clips on YouTube comparing the two, and it doesn't look good blondie.
Another big thief is Dane Cook. He lifted a lot of material from one Louis C.K.
Two of his bits shown in the piece appear to have been lifted wholesale(Keith Richards by Denis Leary, AIDS Cure by Dennis Miller), but the rest were just generic.
Re: Douglas Adams. Yes, I'm arguing that the general theme predates Bill Hicks by a goodly space of time.
Denis Leary famously stole large portions of Bill's act. There are many clips on YouTube comparing the two, and it doesn't look good blondie.
Another big thief is Dane Cook. He lifted a lot of material from one Louis C.K.
By: shitba
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Yeah, I know all about Dane Cook. I try to ignore the 'tard as much as possible. I mentioned him and Mencia at the beginning of this thread.
By: poolaka
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Since most humor is related to common and current events, some overlapping is going to happen. If you had a comic from another planet who had never heard any of our comics bits, and had him study the history of our planet to come up with some joke, he would come up with some of the same jokes that our guys already had come up with. A loty of these jokes are made on observations which we have all made. Its not surprising that some of the jokes wouold be similar.
Its is more than likely that if you get a group of people together who's job it is to make humorous observations about our society that they would make some of the same observations, and present them the same way. Its the guys who can present these observations in a totally unique and orginal way who is the genius.
Its is more than likely that if you get a group of people together who's job it is to make humorous observations about our society that they would make some of the same observations, and present them the same way. Its the guys who can present these observations in a totally unique and orginal way who is the genius.
By: Helpcall
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Can anyone please give me the text for the Carlin joke? Youtube removed all of the audio because whoever made this apparently used a piece of music not approved by those ass-clowns at Warner Music Group.
By: nudaydawning
