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Chris Matthews & Christopher Hitchens on Obama
Oct 26, 2008 5:19 AM
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Too short. Anyway, Mr. Scalpel's comments on McCain are dead-on. The old man is dying and at the very least borderline senile. I pointed out his terrible wheezing after I watched the second debate, but Mr. Scalpel calls it a "whistling note."
I also heard that Mrs. Palin won't release her medical records. Now, I wonder what other skeletons she has lurking in her closet. Abortion, perhaps? Oh, that would really kick ass. Or maybe some of those weirdly named kids aren't hers ...
This must be one of the most interesting elections ever.
I also heard that Mrs. Palin won't release her medical records. Now, I wonder what other skeletons she has lurking in her closet. Abortion, perhaps? Oh, that would really kick ass. Or maybe some of those weirdly named kids aren't hers ...
This must be one of the most interesting elections ever.
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At Palin's age, if she's not releasing her medical records, it's unlikely due to disease. As you pointed out, it's more likely due to something regarding birth...or perhaps not birth of the newest child. Or a past abortion.
But as those folks in the GOP who support universal health records like to say, if she's gotten nothing to hide...
But as those folks in the GOP who support universal health records like to say, if she's gotten nothing to hide...
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I really disagree with you here, W_W.
As someone who believes in the inherent right to privacy that is the cornerstone to Roe v. Wade, I don't care if she's had an abortion. I know a lot of people who've had them. STDs, too. If you've had one, it isn't because you did something other other people did, _it's because you got caught._ How many people have had unprotected sex, or a condom break, or taken antibiotics while on the pill?
I could really give a fuck about her medical records. I think she's unqualified already.
As someone who believes in the inherent right to privacy that is the cornerstone to Roe v. Wade, I don't care if she's had an abortion. I know a lot of people who've had them. STDs, too. If you've had one, it isn't because you did something other other people did, _it's because you got caught._ How many people have had unprotected sex, or a condom break, or taken antibiotics while on the pill?
I could really give a fuck about her medical records. I think she's unqualified already.
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edit: "It is not because you did something other people did not do."
Lots of negatives there, but I think my point came through.
Lots of negatives there, but I think my point came through.
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Yes, this may or may not be the right place for me to throw in my two cents about this, but it's occured to me a lot lately: If we wish to espouse the idea of ones "right to privacy" and want candidates who will honor the idea as well, it's not right for us to ask for their medical records, tax returns, or - worst of all - who they voted for (I read a headline recently telling me that Bush cast his ballot for McCain, for instance. The secret ballot is an oft forgotten cornerstone of democracy. An educated and informed electorate is another). I know that it is presumably their choice to reveal the info, but they should be discouraged from doing so, lest they foster an environment in which those that do not choose to reveal the info are seen as suspect. At that point ones "right to privacy" becomes useless.
I could digress and say that their religious practices should also be kept to themselves and we should not want to know them, but I won't do it here. Or wait, I guess I did.
I could digress and say that their religious practices should also be kept to themselves and we should not want to know them, but I won't do it here. Or wait, I guess I did.
By: ice-9
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While I agree with you that we delve too deeply into the candidates' personal lives (I have never thought their sex lives, for example, are fair game unless they are truly endangering national security), I nonetheless think that their medical records, in particular, are in the public interest. And I think this election underscores why: McCain is quite old, has suffered a serious form of cancer, and his vice presidential candidate is a subject of great contention.
By: StrangeAttractor
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Yes, I'd agree that there's a reasonable argument for that.
By: ice-9
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Yep, that makes sense to me.
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"I could really give a fuck"
Couldn't, surely.
Couldn't, surely.
By: gypo
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I don’t know if we can consider medical record of VP candidate (someone that can potentially be in position leading one country) as privacy.
You can have 100 000 great plumbers, 10 000 professors, 1000 great doctors, 50 hot actors,10 great porn stars, 5 great singers, but...there’s one Palin. On that scale, logical loss of privacy can be projected respectively proportional to uniqueness of your greatness!
You can have 100 000 great plumbers, 10 000 professors, 1000 great doctors, 50 hot actors,10 great porn stars, 5 great singers, but...there’s one Palin. On that scale, logical loss of privacy can be projected respectively proportional to uniqueness of your greatness!
By: flopnik
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I think the "greatness" of discovering she had an abortion is directly related to her stance on it, not to public perception.
By: Faffy
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Plenty of women have abortions and change their minds later. They say it was the worst decision of their lives and that they should keep other women from making the same mistake.
I disagree with her view on abortion. To me, whether or not she's had one is irrelevant. Now, when she says she wants to have the right for her family to choose life, that's fucked up. No one is mandating abortions here, or taking away that right, except she and her cronies.
I want the public, the media and the government to stay out of everyone's womb, even Mrs. Palin's. And I think it's hypocritical for the pro-choice movement to get into her business.
It's her right to privacy I need to respect, and her right to choose what she wants to do.
These kind of witch hunts on either side need to be stopped. Having had abortions is not a reason to keep someone out of public office, and if they do it her, who else are they going to do it to? This will set a terrifying prescendent.
I disagree with her view on abortion. To me, whether or not she's had one is irrelevant. Now, when she says she wants to have the right for her family to choose life, that's fucked up. No one is mandating abortions here, or taking away that right, except she and her cronies.
I want the public, the media and the government to stay out of everyone's womb, even Mrs. Palin's. And I think it's hypocritical for the pro-choice movement to get into her business.
It's her right to privacy I need to respect, and her right to choose what she wants to do.
These kind of witch hunts on either side need to be stopped. Having had abortions is not a reason to keep someone out of public office, and if they do it her, who else are they going to do it to? This will set a terrifying prescendent.
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You're right, an abortion is a bad reason to keep someone out of office. A history of hypocrisy however...
By: Faffy
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The fact that her stance on abortion may simply be a crass political ploy doesn't bother you?
By: i8ursandwich
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She's a religious nut, we know it's not just a ploy.
By: Faffy
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Have you noticed that these people are almost always referred to as "politicians?" Not elected officials, but POLITICIANS. Why the need for politics at all? The party system of course. Or perhaps that's to simplistic. Differing IDEALS are why you may at any time have more than one person fighting to hold the same job title. Instead of everyone just KNOWING who the best person for the job is, everyone has an OPINION as to who the best person for the job is. How can we work this out fairly? Bum, bum, bum...democracy (or some variation thereof). Thus, what should be a purely concrete, objective weighing of values becomes an abstract, subjective war of beliefs, or more properly we simply see how blurred the line between such states can become. Simply having an ideal is not enough to bring it about, in the abstract or "real world." As long as there is someone who doesn't believe as you believe, politics will play a role in our lives, and I'm glad we have the first amendment.
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Look, as you probably know I'm pro-choice, and don't mind whether a political candidate or someone else had an abortion (or not). It does, however, matter now, in my opinion. Why? Because, if this rumor proved to be a fact (I don't think so, but that aside), it would expose Palin as a hypocrite to a wider audience; and yes, I've taken into account your excellent counterargument that says people change their views over time, make mistakes, and that sort of thing. I mean to say that Palin has built her persona upon the "illusion" of her being perfect in the eyes of anti-choice women (and men). That, to me, looks like betrayal if she lied on the issue of her rumored abortion. It would mean she deliberately hid "relevant" facts. It tells people that she probably won't respect the people when in office, too. If she had an abortion earlier in her life and she still wants to be the archetype of "virtue" or something, why, I would definitely want the whole picture. It would make her more honest and likeable.
Anyway, I'm not intending to wage war over this, simply because it's a matter of perception; it isn't really that important. As you say, Palin is "unqualified" and her political views are unpopular with many.
I do like to say, though, that I think it's strange that the candidates don't have to release their medical records. If someone has a strong tendency to go stark raving mad every full moon, I'd like to know such stuff. However, as this seems to be not required by law, fine: they shouldn't push the candidates if they intend to play hide-and-seek. In my opinion, an honest candidate would show the people who he or she is, really. Treat the people as grownups, not as children.
Anyway, I'm not intending to wage war over this, simply because it's a matter of perception; it isn't really that important. As you say, Palin is "unqualified" and her political views are unpopular with many.
I do like to say, though, that I think it's strange that the candidates don't have to release their medical records. If someone has a strong tendency to go stark raving mad every full moon, I'd like to know such stuff. However, as this seems to be not required by law, fine: they shouldn't push the candidates if they intend to play hide-and-seek. In my opinion, an honest candidate would show the people who he or she is, really. Treat the people as grownups, not as children.
