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Hardball's Chris Matthews destroys the McCain campaign senior policy advisor Nancy Pfotenhauer over Sarah Palin's failure to understand the role of the vice president. Obama spokesperson Bill Burton took part as well. (Hardball -- MSNBC -- October 22, 2008)
Oct 22, 2008 9:00 PM
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For the longest time, during the high plateau and steady decline of the Bush regime, this is how progressives were treated during interviews on a large majority of MSM newstalk shows, Matthews included, with a twist: it used to be the chicken hawks and wingnuts on the offensive, changing the subject NOT expecting an answer, just keeping the upper hand on an argument, regressive talking points all the way, and never mind the facts.
My my my, how times have changed. How do you like it, regressives, now that you're getting a dose of your own medicine? Quite a bitter little pill, ain't it, not being able to change the subject into a tangential attack while on the defensive without getting called on it.
Just four years ago, Kerry was crucified with the nonsensical talking point "flip-flopper" on these shows, and now Obama is getting a much fairer shake while McCain gets much fewer free passes than Bush got back in the fucking Middle Ages.
The zeitgeist has shifted. Creepy bowtied cockfart Tucker Carlson is gone, Hardball seems less and less like Whiffleball when it comes to regressives, Olbermann and Maddow are kicking O'Reilly's butt in the ratings, hateful hag Coulter is nowhere to be seen, you get the idea - the tide is turning away from rovian tactics in televised commentary, except on decreasingly relevant Faux.
Progressives have become way more savvy also, check out this beauty here, right on Faux itself:
http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/131890/detail/
For many a moon, I forgot that old proverb, "What goes around comes around". Now maybe one night during this early November, we can all party in the streets, eh?
My my my, how times have changed. How do you like it, regressives, now that you're getting a dose of your own medicine? Quite a bitter little pill, ain't it, not being able to change the subject into a tangential attack while on the defensive without getting called on it.
Just four years ago, Kerry was crucified with the nonsensical talking point "flip-flopper" on these shows, and now Obama is getting a much fairer shake while McCain gets much fewer free passes than Bush got back in the fucking Middle Ages.
The zeitgeist has shifted. Creepy bowtied cockfart Tucker Carlson is gone, Hardball seems less and less like Whiffleball when it comes to regressives, Olbermann and Maddow are kicking O'Reilly's butt in the ratings, hateful hag Coulter is nowhere to be seen, you get the idea - the tide is turning away from rovian tactics in televised commentary, except on decreasingly relevant Faux.
Progressives have become way more savvy also, check out this beauty here, right on Faux itself:
http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/131890/detail/
For many a moon, I forgot that old proverb, "What goes around comes around". Now maybe one night during this early November, we can all party in the streets, eh?
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Well said, every word! I was thinking that the other day, too: "Where is that crazy Coulter bitch, this time around?" Then I laughed to myself, and just enjoyed the fact that I didn't know, and will never care.
And that party? I'm sure I'm not the first to think that this is what it'll look like around the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qbQEEOPsb8
Cheers.
And that party? I'm sure I'm not the first to think that this is what it'll look like around the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qbQEEOPsb8
Cheers.
By: Oh-Deeh
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""this is how progressives were treated during interviews on a large majority of MSM newstalk shows""
Are you joking? Who is burning the Reichstag here?
Are you joking? Who is burning the Reichstag here?
By: poonhound
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Joseph Goebbels on the subject:
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country".
During the run up to the Iraq invasion, dissenting voices were difficult to find. They were out there, they just weren't given a microphone, with a few exceptions who ended up on a deck of cards known as The Pack Of Weasels. The Dixie Chicks were treated to ridicule, boycotts and much worse, because one of them stated publicly that she was "ashamed that the president of the United States is from Texas". Meanwhile, millions of regular citizens marched in the streets all over the country (and the world, for that matter), to marginal and skewed coverage in the news.
Valerie Plame was "outed" as a "CIA operative", as if it was a shameful thing and an incredible news scoop, as revenge for Joe Wilson standing up and telling the truth, and I remember RW pundits stating that whoever outed Plame deserved a medal while Wilson, if anybody, "should be shot".
News that the paperless Diebold arithmetic was skewed in favor of Bush in battleground states during the 2004 election, such as Ohio, Florida, Wyoming and New Mexico, was relegated to tinfoil hat limbo.
It took FEMA's debacle in the wake of Katrina for the "mainstream" part of the nation to slowly emerge from its' stupor and smell the coffee, to begin questioning blind allegiance to a "wartime president".
It took the likes of Olbermann (his first Special Comment about the Administration "baffled by the biological weapon known as standing water") and Colbert's speech at the White House Correspondent's dinner to douse the untouchability aura of the republican gang. The momentum has steadily increased ever since.
Finally, propaganda-prone white Anglo-Saxons yelling "kill Obama!", "he's a Muslim!" and similarly dreadful nonsense at McCain and Pallin rallies sounds like Germany in 1932-33 to me.
Besides voter disenfranchisement and purges popping up all over the map again, there's already reports of aggressive voter intimidation in places like North Carolina, where Obama haters seem to be wholly against citizens exercising their guaranteed freedoms by the Constitution.
This is what I've seen, like a slow motion train wreck in front of my eyes, and I've been outraged for years now. My views, unpopular then, seem to be mainstream now. Go figure.
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country".
During the run up to the Iraq invasion, dissenting voices were difficult to find. They were out there, they just weren't given a microphone, with a few exceptions who ended up on a deck of cards known as The Pack Of Weasels. The Dixie Chicks were treated to ridicule, boycotts and much worse, because one of them stated publicly that she was "ashamed that the president of the United States is from Texas". Meanwhile, millions of regular citizens marched in the streets all over the country (and the world, for that matter), to marginal and skewed coverage in the news.
Valerie Plame was "outed" as a "CIA operative", as if it was a shameful thing and an incredible news scoop, as revenge for Joe Wilson standing up and telling the truth, and I remember RW pundits stating that whoever outed Plame deserved a medal while Wilson, if anybody, "should be shot".
News that the paperless Diebold arithmetic was skewed in favor of Bush in battleground states during the 2004 election, such as Ohio, Florida, Wyoming and New Mexico, was relegated to tinfoil hat limbo.
It took FEMA's debacle in the wake of Katrina for the "mainstream" part of the nation to slowly emerge from its' stupor and smell the coffee, to begin questioning blind allegiance to a "wartime president".
It took the likes of Olbermann (his first Special Comment about the Administration "baffled by the biological weapon known as standing water") and Colbert's speech at the White House Correspondent's dinner to douse the untouchability aura of the republican gang. The momentum has steadily increased ever since.
Finally, propaganda-prone white Anglo-Saxons yelling "kill Obama!", "he's a Muslim!" and similarly dreadful nonsense at McCain and Pallin rallies sounds like Germany in 1932-33 to me.
Besides voter disenfranchisement and purges popping up all over the map again, there's already reports of aggressive voter intimidation in places like North Carolina, where Obama haters seem to be wholly against citizens exercising their guaranteed freedoms by the Constitution.
This is what I've seen, like a slow motion train wreck in front of my eyes, and I've been outraged for years now. My views, unpopular then, seem to be mainstream now. Go figure.
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Damn, msm really blows this stuff out of proportion. Cable news is a piece of shit, and they wonder why their ratings have been dropping over the years. Though, it does feel good to have it flipped around against the other side for once.
By: maxpower1013
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Okay, okay, okay, I didn't plan on writing a comment about this cunt again, but I relented to my friend the T-Rex, who's hungry again after swallowing Sarah Palin in two parts.
What has happened in the meantime? Well, first of all, that nifty time machine waited forlornly for days and days after Palin disappeared down the big lizard's gullet. How sad, you say, and I agree; lonely time machines always tug at my heartstrings. Unfortunately, I've got bad news for you and the time machine: it had to wait there for a good while longer, badly dented (wait and see). Well, the big lizard itself, after whacking the thing that to him strongly resembled a telephone booth (long story of how he was aware of telephone booths, so let's save that one for another day), strode off into a forest of ferns, his monstrous head towering above even the biggest of tree ferns. Problem was that T-Rex -- let's call him Jack -- got overconfident because of his recent victory over the mysterious mosquito creature. He got so overconfident, in fact, that he promptly shifted into his fifth gear, crashing down ferns at an ever-increasing rate, and generally trampling everything else for good measure. North he went. North, to the misty mountains, and once there, after a journey of six hours, Jack entered a deep gorge guarded by two giant (I mean GIANT) horsetails. By this time, Jack was low on gas.
Anyway, he now laid eyes on first one GIANT horsetail, and then the other, while thinking deeply. He thought and thought, furrowing his brow and squeezing his stomach around the by now liquefied remains of his last kill, the mysterious mosquito thing that had squeaked "You betcha" and what not while it peppered him with tiny pellets. So, Jack went on thinking deeply, and soon realized he had no business here, but as he was here right now, he might as well check out what all the rumors were about. (This gorge was very famous during the Jurassic.) Personally, Jack preferred facts; he was the first critical dino of his day and age, and not incidentally the first that never polished the scales to the Supreme Overlord in the Infinite Skies.
The rumors: It was said that no dino had ever been seen again if that dino happened to have set claw in this gorge, which bore the impressive name of The Gorge.
Now let's wrap up this story; we can't write about Jack all day, now can we? I thought so. Okay, what did Jack do? Jack set claw in The Gorge, and then deracinated both GIANT horsetails just because he liked to do that. What happened then boggled Jack's mind: he was sucked into the dark mists up yonder and, he was sure, lost consciousness for a brief moment. When he woke, he lay on the edge of what looked to him a volcanic crater, and there were these incredibly tall and thin trees reaching up to the dark sky, but they curled back at about the height of a hundred foot. The air reeked of rotting fish, which made Jack's belly rumble. (If you'll remember, I told you a while ago that Jack was low on gas.) So Jack looked around, and did some investigating: the trees were inedible (very tough and stringy; he pulled them out by the dozens), and there was nothing else but the soft and smelly earth, which sagged under Jacks massive weight.
"Oh, why not," Jack mused, and with his enormous teeth ripped a sizable chunk out of the soil.
"Holy crap," Jack roared after gulping down his mouthful. "More!"
But, you see, the problem was that just then (how inconvenient) a huge (I mean HUGE) earthquake rocked the earth, and Jack toppled and fell right back into the volcano. Next thing he knew, he was back at the GIANT horsetails, who stood fiercely upright again.
That pissed Jack off, so he said to them, as he whacked them down with his big lizard tail, "Fuck you," and then he went back to the plains, where he hoped many more mysterious "You betcha" creatures were hopping around.
What has happened in the meantime? Well, first of all, that nifty time machine waited forlornly for days and days after Palin disappeared down the big lizard's gullet. How sad, you say, and I agree; lonely time machines always tug at my heartstrings. Unfortunately, I've got bad news for you and the time machine: it had to wait there for a good while longer, badly dented (wait and see). Well, the big lizard itself, after whacking the thing that to him strongly resembled a telephone booth (long story of how he was aware of telephone booths, so let's save that one for another day), strode off into a forest of ferns, his monstrous head towering above even the biggest of tree ferns. Problem was that T-Rex -- let's call him Jack -- got overconfident because of his recent victory over the mysterious mosquito creature. He got so overconfident, in fact, that he promptly shifted into his fifth gear, crashing down ferns at an ever-increasing rate, and generally trampling everything else for good measure. North he went. North, to the misty mountains, and once there, after a journey of six hours, Jack entered a deep gorge guarded by two giant (I mean GIANT) horsetails. By this time, Jack was low on gas.
Anyway, he now laid eyes on first one GIANT horsetail, and then the other, while thinking deeply. He thought and thought, furrowing his brow and squeezing his stomach around the by now liquefied remains of his last kill, the mysterious mosquito thing that had squeaked "You betcha" and what not while it peppered him with tiny pellets. So, Jack went on thinking deeply, and soon realized he had no business here, but as he was here right now, he might as well check out what all the rumors were about. (This gorge was very famous during the Jurassic.) Personally, Jack preferred facts; he was the first critical dino of his day and age, and not incidentally the first that never polished the scales to the Supreme Overlord in the Infinite Skies.
The rumors: It was said that no dino had ever been seen again if that dino happened to have set claw in this gorge, which bore the impressive name of The Gorge.
Now let's wrap up this story; we can't write about Jack all day, now can we? I thought so. Okay, what did Jack do? Jack set claw in The Gorge, and then deracinated both GIANT horsetails just because he liked to do that. What happened then boggled Jack's mind: he was sucked into the dark mists up yonder and, he was sure, lost consciousness for a brief moment. When he woke, he lay on the edge of what looked to him a volcanic crater, and there were these incredibly tall and thin trees reaching up to the dark sky, but they curled back at about the height of a hundred foot. The air reeked of rotting fish, which made Jack's belly rumble. (If you'll remember, I told you a while ago that Jack was low on gas.) So Jack looked around, and did some investigating: the trees were inedible (very tough and stringy; he pulled them out by the dozens), and there was nothing else but the soft and smelly earth, which sagged under Jacks massive weight.
"Oh, why not," Jack mused, and with his enormous teeth ripped a sizable chunk out of the soil.
"Holy crap," Jack roared after gulping down his mouthful. "More!"
But, you see, the problem was that just then (how inconvenient) a huge (I mean HUGE) earthquake rocked the earth, and Jack toppled and fell right back into the volcano. Next thing he knew, he was back at the GIANT horsetails, who stood fiercely upright again.
That pissed Jack off, so he said to them, as he whacked them down with his big lizard tail, "Fuck you," and then he went back to the plains, where he hoped many more mysterious "You betcha" creatures were hopping around.
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I had to look twice to make sure this wasn't one of Evil Mind's rants. You feeling OK, Wolf?
By: Oh-Deeh
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As usual, my favorite post. Dub-Squared knows St. Peter has been dead lo' these years. And what of the brave stable boy? I knew St. Peter, stable boy, and you, sir, are no St. Peter. Meanwhile back up in Erebor, Smaug the Magnificent sits on his gold. And owns us all.
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I'm glad you liked it. I'm not sure if many people appreciate Tolkien/De Sade/King cocktails, but you must be one of that rare breed.
For posterity's sake, allow me to recommend Jack's first adventure, which is told at http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/128697/detail/
For posterity's sake, allow me to recommend Jack's first adventure, which is told at http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/128697/detail/
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I enjoyed it then, and I enjoy it now... :)
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Nice! If somebody were to post this verbatim on Slashdot, it would make the most sophisticated Offtopic or Troll comment in history, and I mean that as a compliment. ;)
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Some people say Olbermann is the left's O'Rielly. I haven't heard someone be such a dick to a guest since O'Rielly. Yeah, she's wrong, and she's trying to cloud the point, but Matthews is being a jerk.
By: Faffy
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I disagree. Pfotenhauer is a jerk, and she always acts like a jerk. If you haven't seen other interviews with her, I suggest checking them out. She's dumb and she's rude. Besides, there's a time constraint. People who are rambling have to be cut off, especially if they're trying to change the subject.
I'm thrilled with how Matthews handled it. This is the second time, ever, that he's actually played Hardball. The first time was after the 2004 RNC, when he asked Zell Miller if he really thought Kerry wanted to arm the US military with spitballs. Hilarity ensues. Probably one of the funniest things I've ever seen or heard.
I'm thrilled with how Matthews handled it. This is the second time, ever, that he's actually played Hardball. The first time was after the 2004 RNC, when he asked Zell Miller if he really thought Kerry wanted to arm the US military with spitballs. Hilarity ensues. Probably one of the funniest things I've ever seen or heard.
By: i8ursandwich
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I disagree also. Matthews did a wonderful job here of explicitly pointing out, on yet another level, how unqualified Palin is to be the VP. If we had more journalism of this nature across the board, things would be a bit different. Politicians might actually be held *gasp* accountable. God forbid!!!
By: poolaka
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It's a close call, but I still think Nancy Pfotenhauer is the more odoriferous party.
Does she really believe that her crazy eyes and plastic face and smarmy Lawrence Welk smile serve her well in a substantive debate? This isn't cocktails at a Georgetown club. This is a job interview with the American people.
She's a "presidential policy adviser" who doesn't even know what a VP does supporting a VP candidate who knows even less. It's a damn trainwreck.
And listen to the audio: anytime anyone says something Nancy finds disagreeable, she grunts and moans and emits these guttural groans so often it sounds like she's recording the B Track to a porno.
Be honest. Have courage. Don't condescend. Be accountable. Answer the questions. Let the chips fall where they may. That's it.
Does she really believe that her crazy eyes and plastic face and smarmy Lawrence Welk smile serve her well in a substantive debate? This isn't cocktails at a Georgetown club. This is a job interview with the American people.
She's a "presidential policy adviser" who doesn't even know what a VP does supporting a VP candidate who knows even less. It's a damn trainwreck.
And listen to the audio: anytime anyone says something Nancy finds disagreeable, she grunts and moans and emits these guttural groans so often it sounds like she's recording the B Track to a porno.
Be honest. Have courage. Don't condescend. Be accountable. Answer the questions. Let the chips fall where they may. That's it.
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Yeah, Matthews was being a jerk. But in fairness, the show is called Hardball, and he had a point, which she kept dodging. She could've just said Palin made a mistake, and moved on. That's basically how she handled the wardrobe budget bit.
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and yes this women's groans are about as becoming as a sarcastic 14 year old.
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Being a jerk?
He's stating a law. The role of the vice president. It's outrageous that a candidate doesn't understand the office shes running for.
He's stating a law. The role of the vice president. It's outrageous that a candidate doesn't understand the office shes running for.
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It's the way he asks questions, without stoping, he just keeps making statements, after the original question, so that he keeps cutting her off, and I find it really irritating, it's like he talks like this sentence, a million commas.
By: Faffy
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Faffy, a million commas? Are you sure? I counted seven of them in your sentence. Methinks you need glasses or contact lenses -- or, maybe take it easy with that bottle ...
