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Third 2008 Presidential Debate, Full Video
Full Video of the Third 2008 Presidential Debate with Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) and Sen. John McCain (R-AZ).
Oct 15, 2008 11:59 PM
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not much of a mccain fan, but he did pretty well.
i was rather disappointed with barack.
i was rather disappointed with barack.
By: googhis
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McCain had that one zinger about how Obama should have run four years ago. Scripted, but I give him credit for a good 'un.
Obama was pretty much laying back on defense, running out the clock. With the exception of a brilliant move where he brought the William Ayers and ACORN issues to a head himself and forced McCain to put both issues to bed. That was a genius and unexpected move that worked like a charm.
Obama was pretty much laying back on defense, running out the clock. With the exception of a brilliant move where he brought the William Ayers and ACORN issues to a head himself and forced McCain to put both issues to bed. That was a genius and unexpected move that worked like a charm.
By: spam_vigilante
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I like how after all that flag pin bullshit of a few months ago, Obama's got one on and McCain doesn't. Since I'm a butt-stupid American voter, I say that means Obama trounced McCain.
By: loqi
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McCain sure did come out swinging in this one like the feisty old Chihuahua he is but Obama dominated...besides its to late for McCain....Tough break...there's always Viagra...
By: mayzachi
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This was the best debate between these two candidates. Obama set forth his vision and plans well, without getting too much tangled up in McCain's efforts to divert attention to the latter, whose only returns were lies and goofy remarks. Obama, essentially, parried McCain's attacks efficiently and effectively (and calmly), and clearly achieved the "silent kill." Simply said, McCain bled to death. Obama overpowered McCain to the Nth Power. McCain's plans are rubbish, plain to see for all.
And what a nasty expression oozed off McCain's face. He seemed like an angry but very old and sick Great White Shark that floats belly up near a rocky coast. Gulls were already picking at his flesh. Those lifeless eyes, the tight skin tightened over cartilage (um, bones), the smirk.
And what a nasty expression oozed off McCain's face. He seemed like an angry but very old and sick Great White Shark that floats belly up near a rocky coast. Gulls were already picking at his flesh. Those lifeless eyes, the tight skin tightened over cartilage (um, bones), the smirk.
By: White_Wolf
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[Starts snapping his fingers in beatnik applause.]
Groovy. I can dig that poetry, "daddy-o."
Groovy. I can dig that poetry, "daddy-o."
By: Oh-Deeh
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I made one artistic mistake: "tight skin tightened over" should be "tight skin stretched over." Mea culpa. By the way, I really was struck by McCain's deathlike appearance in that debate. There was something about it that sent a shiver down my spine. So I went for the Great White Shark reference. I think Obama, too, felt somewhat uncomfortable, but his visible reaction was a smile that said "You're finished, old man."
(I'm sure McCain's handlers had plastered his face with makeup, but it didn't help much).
(I'm sure McCain's handlers had plastered his face with makeup, but it didn't help much).
By: White_Wolf
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Nice w_w! I dig the poetry too. I, on the other hand, was foolishly getting very frustrated with the whole thing. I was really bothered by the lies! I feel silly for saying that, but man it was pissing me off! It's unbelievable. I would LOVE to be able to see them actually talk about issues. I think Obama was trying, and he nailed McCain a number of times for trying to change the subject, yet it still kept going into the gutter!
My friends are pretty evenly split. We have two VERY conservative Republicans, a libertarian (conservative), a somewhat right leaning centrist and a somewhat left leaning centrist, and I'm the big liberal (one other liberal but he doesn't come out for drinks too often). I have great conversations with them about what is going on! It tends to be very respectful, and sometimes very passionate, and we rarely agree. Yet we all care and at the end of these debates we have a lot of fun and remain damn good friends. We are all in the same boat, and that boat is sinking fast. We NEED to figure out what has gone wrong so we have a better idea of what to do right. Yet we can't even have that conversation without yelling and name calling.
I was hoping for a lot more from these debates. I was naive, I suppose. I thought that maybe since the people of this country genuinely seem thirsty for knowledge, the moderators might have done a better job of getting it to them. My mom was looking forward to them for that very reason and I doubt that she got what she was looking for. Once again, as always thanks for reading my rant :)
My friends are pretty evenly split. We have two VERY conservative Republicans, a libertarian (conservative), a somewhat right leaning centrist and a somewhat left leaning centrist, and I'm the big liberal (one other liberal but he doesn't come out for drinks too often). I have great conversations with them about what is going on! It tends to be very respectful, and sometimes very passionate, and we rarely agree. Yet we all care and at the end of these debates we have a lot of fun and remain damn good friends. We are all in the same boat, and that boat is sinking fast. We NEED to figure out what has gone wrong so we have a better idea of what to do right. Yet we can't even have that conversation without yelling and name calling.
I was hoping for a lot more from these debates. I was naive, I suppose. I thought that maybe since the people of this country genuinely seem thirsty for knowledge, the moderators might have done a better job of getting it to them. My mom was looking forward to them for that very reason and I doubt that she got what she was looking for. Once again, as always thanks for reading my rant :)
By: Rou
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Interesting. Here's what might help your circle of friends (and please do involve that second liberal you've got tied up in your basement):
Think outside the box. Look for common ground by first studying the big picture. For a start, delve into the monetary system, because that's central to most problems. Then decide what the proper role of government should be, using the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights as cornerstones. Focus on the big issues. Chances are you'll run into difficulties with your GOP friends on issues where they want to exert pre-emptive control, like drugs, border protection, marriage, abortion, nuclear weapons and energy, oil, and religion. You'll have to stress personal freedom here, human rights, trust, and Law. Fear must not be the guiding force. Therefore, there shouldn't be any border fences, nor any drug war, nor corporate interests within the government.
You'll immediately find that both Obama and McCain are dreadfully weak when it comes to adhering to the Constitution. On these grounds alone, they must be discarded without second thought. Again, both shouldn't even deserve any real interest because of their ties to the corrupt system. May I remind you that Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin are all strong proponents of the Patriot Act and a very aggressive and completely illegal foreign interventionist policy? Both Obama and McCain frequently lie about their policies, McCain being absolutely rotten. Also, both pushed through that bailout. You know, even if I knew nothing about these candidates but knew they supported the bailout, I'd look elsewhere for another candidate. Frankly, I wouldn't even consider voting for someone who had lied even once on some issue. To me, someone's character (integrity, honesty, and other basic qualities such as respect) is essential.
Think outside the box. Look for common ground by first studying the big picture. For a start, delve into the monetary system, because that's central to most problems. Then decide what the proper role of government should be, using the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights as cornerstones. Focus on the big issues. Chances are you'll run into difficulties with your GOP friends on issues where they want to exert pre-emptive control, like drugs, border protection, marriage, abortion, nuclear weapons and energy, oil, and religion. You'll have to stress personal freedom here, human rights, trust, and Law. Fear must not be the guiding force. Therefore, there shouldn't be any border fences, nor any drug war, nor corporate interests within the government.
You'll immediately find that both Obama and McCain are dreadfully weak when it comes to adhering to the Constitution. On these grounds alone, they must be discarded without second thought. Again, both shouldn't even deserve any real interest because of their ties to the corrupt system. May I remind you that Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin are all strong proponents of the Patriot Act and a very aggressive and completely illegal foreign interventionist policy? Both Obama and McCain frequently lie about their policies, McCain being absolutely rotten. Also, both pushed through that bailout. You know, even if I knew nothing about these candidates but knew they supported the bailout, I'd look elsewhere for another candidate. Frankly, I wouldn't even consider voting for someone who had lied even once on some issue. To me, someone's character (integrity, honesty, and other basic qualities such as respect) is essential.
By: White_Wolf
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I am unfortunately very well read on these issues and the big picture. I say unfortunately because once upon a time I was blissfully ignorant of the going on's of the world and none the worse for it. Then came Mr. Bush and he changed all that! I made it a point to study Milton Freedman, Ravi Batra, Thomas Freedman, Thomas Paine, Richard Susskind, The Federalist Papers, and classical liberal and conservative ideology. I understand economics better than most laymen, but not nearly sufficient to give anyone advise worth a damn. I'm currently beginning my studies of constitutional law at one of the top law schools in the US, and I fully intend to bitch slap all those who want to take away our constitution once I pass the bar.
Having these conversations with staunch conservatives, I've gotten to understand a few things. One of them is simply, they don't think the same way as me. That's fine, I can appreciate that. We can look at the same set of facts and come to very different conclusions and I'm not going to change that. If somebody doesn't think the bill of rights is all that important, well there's not much I can do to change that. It does come down to a matter of interpretation and perspective. Take Ron Paul for instance.
First off I have great respect for the man. He is truly a statesman, who seems to believe in civil service and actually has some integrity. But his interpretation of the constitution I believe to be wrong. He reads certain passages to mean one thing and I would read it another way and we could have that debate. Once we both hopefully realized that neither of us will win, maybe we can get down to cause and effect and actually look at the effects the different policies we are advocating for has had on society both here and abroad. But it would be an honest discussion (hopefully). I like that.
As far as Obama is concerned, I truly believe you to be wrong. I won't try to change your opinion of him because you've already told me I can't, BUT I hope to give you a different perspective. LBJ, the "establishment" person who ran with JFK passed the civil rights act and reduced poverty by 50% during his term. FDR brought us out of the great depression, and Eisenhower spoke out vehemently against the military industrial complex that he was apart of. They all lied at different points, and they all were apart of the establishment. Yet all worked hard for things that you wouldn't have guessed they would. History shows hundreds of examples of people doing that very thing (if not thousands). Most of the time though, it's because we the people demand it, not ask for it meekly when it's convenient.
Funny story. My liberal friend? Well now that his girlfriend broke up with him he's coming out with us more... and getting belligerently drunk every time. Not so fun when someone's puking all over the place! I think I liked him more when I only saw him at school...
Having these conversations with staunch conservatives, I've gotten to understand a few things. One of them is simply, they don't think the same way as me. That's fine, I can appreciate that. We can look at the same set of facts and come to very different conclusions and I'm not going to change that. If somebody doesn't think the bill of rights is all that important, well there's not much I can do to change that. It does come down to a matter of interpretation and perspective. Take Ron Paul for instance.
First off I have great respect for the man. He is truly a statesman, who seems to believe in civil service and actually has some integrity. But his interpretation of the constitution I believe to be wrong. He reads certain passages to mean one thing and I would read it another way and we could have that debate. Once we both hopefully realized that neither of us will win, maybe we can get down to cause and effect and actually look at the effects the different policies we are advocating for has had on society both here and abroad. But it would be an honest discussion (hopefully). I like that.
As far as Obama is concerned, I truly believe you to be wrong. I won't try to change your opinion of him because you've already told me I can't, BUT I hope to give you a different perspective. LBJ, the "establishment" person who ran with JFK passed the civil rights act and reduced poverty by 50% during his term. FDR brought us out of the great depression, and Eisenhower spoke out vehemently against the military industrial complex that he was apart of. They all lied at different points, and they all were apart of the establishment. Yet all worked hard for things that you wouldn't have guessed they would. History shows hundreds of examples of people doing that very thing (if not thousands). Most of the time though, it's because we the people demand it, not ask for it meekly when it's convenient.
Funny story. My liberal friend? Well now that his girlfriend broke up with him he's coming out with us more... and getting belligerently drunk every time. Not so fun when someone's puking all over the place! I think I liked him more when I only saw him at school...
By: Rou
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My short reply: I must've not explained myself clearly enough. What I meant is that I think it's very unwise to support someone who supports the Patriot Act, FISA, illegal wars (with more to come, if China coughs up some more dough), is apparently oblivious to critical facts related to world affairs (Russia-Georgia conflict to name one), and is a good friend of the CFR, military industrial complex, and Wall Street thieves (and the list goes on and on). I don't mind you and I have differing opinions on Obama. We'll maybe talk again. You may be able to point out some successes Obama will perhaps achieve (and clings to desperately), but they mean little to me; I think of what people such as Kucinich, McKinney, Nader, Gravel, and others can achieve, and their smallest achievements would dwarf Obama's greatest. Yes, Obama speaks well, and yes he has some plans that will be of help to some. Also, he betrays his own supporters by changing his mind on what suits him best, not the People.
About lies ... I knew my comment would probably be misunderstood. I mean that some lies are permissible, but some aren't. If you lie about NAFTA or the NWO, as Obama has done, along with all his buddies in that large barrel of eels that is American politics (Obama being the Master Eel, who's like all eels hooked by the real powers), you fail to serve your country big time, in my opinion. Same with Clinton and Reagan, who are still revered by many. They have done good in the eyes of the uninformed, and all bad things they have done are forgiven easily to keep up the delusion, or aren't even interpreted as bad things (even more funny). Fact is, their achievements are rubbish (certainly if you look beyond America, but many Americans aren't in the habit of looking over their borders at places where their government is involved).
Now, FDR and Eisenhower: great presidents, definitely FDR. LBJ did some good stuff, but was really bent on sending young soldiers to a gruesome death in 'Nam. A while ago, I submitted a superb documentary about FDR, but, like a lot of important stuff, was ignored by most.
Well, I wish Obama well. I hope he can whittle down the 50 something trillion debt to a safer level ... haha. Mr. Obama takes great care in not mentioning all that. He wants to give more of your (or China's) money to the Pentagon and stuff like that. May it serve him well. And he better be prepared to bail out some more banks, because once the fox knows there's chickens around, he'll also be around. Good luck.
About lies ... I knew my comment would probably be misunderstood. I mean that some lies are permissible, but some aren't. If you lie about NAFTA or the NWO, as Obama has done, along with all his buddies in that large barrel of eels that is American politics (Obama being the Master Eel, who's like all eels hooked by the real powers), you fail to serve your country big time, in my opinion. Same with Clinton and Reagan, who are still revered by many. They have done good in the eyes of the uninformed, and all bad things they have done are forgiven easily to keep up the delusion, or aren't even interpreted as bad things (even more funny). Fact is, their achievements are rubbish (certainly if you look beyond America, but many Americans aren't in the habit of looking over their borders at places where their government is involved).
Now, FDR and Eisenhower: great presidents, definitely FDR. LBJ did some good stuff, but was really bent on sending young soldiers to a gruesome death in 'Nam. A while ago, I submitted a superb documentary about FDR, but, like a lot of important stuff, was ignored by most.
Well, I wish Obama well. I hope he can whittle down the 50 something trillion debt to a safer level ... haha. Mr. Obama takes great care in not mentioning all that. He wants to give more of your (or China's) money to the Pentagon and stuff like that. May it serve him well. And he better be prepared to bail out some more banks, because once the fox knows there's chickens around, he'll also be around. Good luck.
By: White_Wolf
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it amazes me that the people watching the debates, have a clearer view about each of their candidates plans, than the candidates do...
listening to joe the plumber was one great example of how much smarter mccain's supporters are than mccain's whole staff if, if they can't get mccain to say it like joe did.
listening to joe the plumber was one great example of how much smarter mccain's supporters are than mccain's whole staff if, if they can't get mccain to say it like joe did.
By: kishart
