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McCain-Bailin' 2008.
Oct 13, 2008 11:09 PM
Re: Conservatives Blame McCain As Obama Landslide Approaches
The Red Team seams to have called the game pretty early.
By: deiviant
Re: Conservatives Blame McCain As Obama Landslide Approaches
These folks are more corporatists than conservatives. And it almost sounds as if they were all given a consistent message to convey to the American public. I wonder why...
Re: Conservatives Blame McCain As Obama Landslide Approaches
Yeah, it sounds pretty talking-pointy, but it doesn't make sense that they'd be on this particular script.
Maybe, "McCain is a buffoon" is the most credible version of, "laissez-faire-capitalism-for-the-non-rich is the one true faith" that they can muster just now.
Maybe, "McCain is a buffoon" is the most credible version of, "laissez-faire-capitalism-for-the-non-rich is the one true faith" that they can muster just now.
Re: Conservatives Blame McCain As Obama Landslide Approaches
Maybe they're hoping they can lure a few more liberals to stay home by believing it's a done deal already. Or, since most of them never liked McCain anyway, maybe they want to load the failures of the neo-conservative movement on his shoulders and wipe their record of failure along with the man's career. Who knows? But Obama and McCain aren't that far apart in the polls and it is very strange that they appear to be throwing in the towel.
By: dakal9214
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The owners of this country (and the world) want Obama/Biden for whatever reason (i don't know what)... but one thing's for sure, it won't be good for anyone but the top 1% as usual.
By: chawx
Re: Conservatives Blame McCain As Obama Landslide Approaches
Please, the "owners of this country" are unlikely to want Obama. A year ago it was going to be Hillary Clinton for sure. No doubt about it! Then Obama developed a huge grass roots organization of millions of $25 donors and huge ground support. I think Obama, while not as bad as Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich in the eyes of the powers that be, is definitely not who they were hoping for. These Conservative are trying to distance McCain from the conservative movement and as a result, Republicans in general to save their own brand name. The fact that Obama does not have a larger lead over McCain says a lot about how effective of a campaign he's running.
Regardless of the fact that I'm a progressive, historically speaking after a party has been in power for awhile the other party comes in and routes them. ESPECIALLY during a downturn in the economy. FDR and Reagan are prime examples of just that. Given that Bush's numbers are in the toilet and the Republican brand name is taking a dive as well, Obama should be WAY ahead. Yet all they want to do is blame McCain. All they are doing is playing politics and saying that it has nothing to do with them and they're ideology which unfortunately is b.s.
Regardless of the fact that I'm a progressive, historically speaking after a party has been in power for awhile the other party comes in and routes them. ESPECIALLY during a downturn in the economy. FDR and Reagan are prime examples of just that. Given that Bush's numbers are in the toilet and the Republican brand name is taking a dive as well, Obama should be WAY ahead. Yet all they want to do is blame McCain. All they are doing is playing politics and saying that it has nothing to do with them and they're ideology which unfortunately is b.s.
By: Rou
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Hillary, Obama, McCain, Romney...all of them will play ball for the owners of this country (and of the world). I do believe that Hillary was supposed to be the one, but Barack whooped her, against long odds (he overcame rigged votes! During the New York primary, he somehow received ZERO votes in one Harlem voting district. ZERO votes! There were also hijinks in New Hampshire). It truly doesn't matter which one of these jokers gets elected. I hope it's McCain, though, because so many folks on the Left are already wise to the game, so long as it's a Republican committing the crimes. The righties are still dead asleep. They've somehow managed to assign the label "conservative" to the crimes committed by GW Bush and Co. these last eight years. It's really quite remarkable. Also, we are completely FOOKED. For real. Collapse of civilization as we know it, fooked.
By: shitba
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That's why I'm stocked up on ammo :)
By: Rou
Re: Conservatives Blame McCain As Obama Landslide Approaches
Obama has been bought by corporate powers. He's very corporate. What makes him really attractive to them are his big government policies supposedly to strengthen America as a whole but in reality benefiting the few. For example, his bullying of supposed terrorist nations and his hand-in-glove relationship with Wall Street and the medical industry. What little independence he brought into the race for the White House has long been erased by his pledges to serve the Big Bucks (worth two cents each) and his drive to personal power. His plans for Universal Healthcare (I'll refrain from involving the Martians this time) really don't amount to anything and won't be a success. His plans for green energy are a hoot. Listening to him and McCain is mighty amusing: hear them spit out that string of words -- clean coal, wind, solar, nuclear, tidal huff puff gasp what else have I forgotten? -- like a machine gun, haha!
Second, he's also a really good puppet for the masters because he lacks a spine; he's really your average politician, but one who knows how to string a sentence together once in a while and knows how to behave. He's in league with the current administration. He leaves no mark of his own. His footprints will be printed in the soft sand that lie in the path of the incoming tide. He's good entertainment for the masses, though. Yippie, a black president. Hurrah! Now here's your nipple, American People. Suck on it. Don't expect something to come out of it, but that's not the point, anyway.
My two cents (actually worth a dollar of yore) is that a vote for Obama or McCain is just about the dumbest or most ignorant thing you could do on November 4th. Jumping off a high building would be preferable. Voting third party is the way to go.
Second, he's also a really good puppet for the masters because he lacks a spine; he's really your average politician, but one who knows how to string a sentence together once in a while and knows how to behave. He's in league with the current administration. He leaves no mark of his own. His footprints will be printed in the soft sand that lie in the path of the incoming tide. He's good entertainment for the masses, though. Yippie, a black president. Hurrah! Now here's your nipple, American People. Suck on it. Don't expect something to come out of it, but that's not the point, anyway.
My two cents (actually worth a dollar of yore) is that a vote for Obama or McCain is just about the dumbest or most ignorant thing you could do on November 4th. Jumping off a high building would be preferable. Voting third party is the way to go.
Re: Conservatives Blame McCain As Obama Landslide Approaches
Yay and nay.
Universal healthcare is not going to happen in one fell swoop in this country. Too many in the pockets of Big Insurance who see it (rightfully so) as a threat to their profits.
Third party these days may be a toss of the vote into the trashcan. Or maybe not. But as we've seen in a Jesse Ventura clip here (your submission, I believe), "D- None of the Above" is a great choice. I'd prefer to see D win rather than a Ralph Nader or a Bob Barr.
Universal healthcare is not going to happen in one fell swoop in this country. Too many in the pockets of Big Insurance who see it (rightfully so) as a threat to their profits.
Third party these days may be a toss of the vote into the trashcan. Or maybe not. But as we've seen in a Jesse Ventura clip here (your submission, I believe), "D- None of the Above" is a great choice. I'd prefer to see D win rather than a Ralph Nader or a Bob Barr.
By: spam_vigilante
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I think Jesse V is a great choice. I'm writing him in.
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I don't like third parties in presidential politics. Without proportional representation I don't think it is really a benefit. More often than not it seems to merely screw up the votes for the other two which leaves us with the worse choice. I would rather see people get involved with the party that they feel they identify more with, and get active. Change the party from the inside and see what happens.
I agree with you pretty much 100%, at least I think I do (I don't want to be too presumptive).
I agree with you pretty much 100%, at least I think I do (I don't want to be too presumptive).
By: Rou
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I mostly disagree. In most cases politicians primarily get elected with money given to them by corporations, absolutely. And in many of these cases the politician becomes a complete sellout and a corporate shill. However, many still genuinely represent the interests of the common people while still representing the interests of the corporate donors. That's what politics is, a give and take. And the interests of the corporations and the interests of the people are not mutually exclusive. Sometimes they do overlap. I'm saying this even though I tend to disagree with most corporations.
Example: T Boon Pickins (i have no idea how to spell his name and i'm too lazy to look) is wanting to start a geo solar thermal plant or some such thing. And he wants the tax payers to bankroll the infrastructure. Well, he's being a bit of a douche about it, but it could have a net benefit effect on the rest of the country by jump-starting an alternative energy market. There's better plans out there, but at least it's a plan in the right direction.
As far as him being a puppet without a spine, him being the same as McCain, etc. I have no idea where you get this from. He's a centrist. That's what he's always been and probably will continue to be. That's not spineless, there is a difference. I'm not going to defend Obama too much because I don't know him personally anymore than I know McCain. What I can say is that I know that he has very different plans from McCain, and I believe they might work. He also has a very different worldview from McCain, and that's why I support him. Not because he's perfect or because he's black. It's because he's the most qualified out of the two we've got. If I vote for who I really believe should win, then the one who I really don't want to win WILL win. That's the third party voting dilemma. But that's also the reality of our democracy as it stands today.
The candidates may not instill confidence in you, but they are different. I don't think things would be as bad today if Gore or Kerry or Perot, hell, whoever else had one instead of Bush. At the very least, voting for the lesser of two evils may keep something REALLY bad from happening :)
btw, I really want to jump off a high building!!! I got my skydiving license in the hopes of base jumping then realized they are crazy and I am not... but like the politics of today the dream did not stand up to the reality :)
Example: T Boon Pickins (i have no idea how to spell his name and i'm too lazy to look) is wanting to start a geo solar thermal plant or some such thing. And he wants the tax payers to bankroll the infrastructure. Well, he's being a bit of a douche about it, but it could have a net benefit effect on the rest of the country by jump-starting an alternative energy market. There's better plans out there, but at least it's a plan in the right direction.
As far as him being a puppet without a spine, him being the same as McCain, etc. I have no idea where you get this from. He's a centrist. That's what he's always been and probably will continue to be. That's not spineless, there is a difference. I'm not going to defend Obama too much because I don't know him personally anymore than I know McCain. What I can say is that I know that he has very different plans from McCain, and I believe they might work. He also has a very different worldview from McCain, and that's why I support him. Not because he's perfect or because he's black. It's because he's the most qualified out of the two we've got. If I vote for who I really believe should win, then the one who I really don't want to win WILL win. That's the third party voting dilemma. But that's also the reality of our democracy as it stands today.
The candidates may not instill confidence in you, but they are different. I don't think things would be as bad today if Gore or Kerry or Perot, hell, whoever else had one instead of Bush. At the very least, voting for the lesser of two evils may keep something REALLY bad from happening :)
btw, I really want to jump off a high building!!! I got my skydiving license in the hopes of base jumping then realized they are crazy and I am not... but like the politics of today the dream did not stand up to the reality :)
By: Rou
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My comment was mostly opinion (easy to disagree with), and I'm glad you're one of those who can write a well-mannered reply.
First of all, I've got a tremendous amount of respect for Perot. He'd get my vote immediately (if I were an American Citizen and he'd be running for office).
Second, my opinion of Obama stands as it stands. I once had more respect for him, but he has slid down the slippery slope of special interests, among other things.
I don't share your opinion of voting for "the lesser of two evils." That way lies madness, because one day you'll be faced with voting for let's say Hitler or Stalin -- and some guy who almost nobody has heard of and is rarely seen, and surrounds himself with body guards. Everybody says he won't win, and he's a nut, if ever they mention him at all.
Obviously, it's a noble attempt to work within the two main parties and try to change them from within. It's what Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are doing, something that's their choice but in my opinion doesn't yield a bountiful harvest.
One final comment: I really don't like Gore or Kerry, though when they were running against Bush I sure hoped them all the best. Kerry was a weak choice by the Democrats.
First of all, I've got a tremendous amount of respect for Perot. He'd get my vote immediately (if I were an American Citizen and he'd be running for office).
Second, my opinion of Obama stands as it stands. I once had more respect for him, but he has slid down the slippery slope of special interests, among other things.
I don't share your opinion of voting for "the lesser of two evils." That way lies madness, because one day you'll be faced with voting for let's say Hitler or Stalin -- and some guy who almost nobody has heard of and is rarely seen, and surrounds himself with body guards. Everybody says he won't win, and he's a nut, if ever they mention him at all.
Obviously, it's a noble attempt to work within the two main parties and try to change them from within. It's what Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are doing, something that's their choice but in my opinion doesn't yield a bountiful harvest.
One final comment: I really don't like Gore or Kerry, though when they were running against Bush I sure hoped them all the best. Kerry was a weak choice by the Democrats.
Re: Conservatives Blame McCain As Obama Landslide Approaches
Oh LAWL, McCain is too much of a "Maverick" for them.
By: cheezsteak
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You are a f'n shill for McCain, it's so sad. Either that or you're a big fan of satire but the jury is out on that one
By: Rou
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I'm going with satire. How can anyone use the word maverick with a straight face during the past few months? If I had said it, it'd sure have been a joke.
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Oh, not you! I was talking to Cheaz! Didn't mean for you to think that I meant you :)
Unless you're the same person... duh duh duuuuuuh!
Unless you're the same person... duh duh duuuuuuh!
By: Rou
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Ok, I'm an idiot and need to drink less coffee so I take the time to read people's posts more carefully! I get what you are saying now
By: Rou
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Yeah, the quote marks around "maverick" pretty much cover bus fare.
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That's what makes me confused! I never feel the need to blast someone, but I've been watching his/her posts and it seems like they are a shill, but then again not. None of them are long though, and he hasn't responded to some of my other posts. check them out, i'm telling you he/she's weird.
By: Rou
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Cheez has as many personalities as he has tentacles. Most of you will be outnumbered eight to two; my four paws give me a slightly better position, but I'm still outnumbered.
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55/45 is hardly a landslide
By: EmanResu
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In this country? If you have (R) or (D) next to your name, it's impossible to get anything less than 35%.
Unless there is an October surprise of incredible magnitude coming up, I suspect the final tally of popular vote (means nothing, but hey, whatever) will be something like Obama 48, McCain 45. The electoral vote count (all that matters) will likely be somewhere in the 280+ range for Obama. Far less than what you will find at www.electoral-vote.com but far more than what you find at http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard.
Unless there is an October surprise of incredible magnitude coming up, I suspect the final tally of popular vote (means nothing, but hey, whatever) will be something like Obama 48, McCain 45. The electoral vote count (all that matters) will likely be somewhere in the 280+ range for Obama. Far less than what you will find at www.electoral-vote.com but far more than what you find at http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard.
By: spam_vigilante
