You know...it probably doesn't help your cause to be taken seriously when you start by calling someone a "cunt," yeah? :)

But in all seriousness, I think you're right...to a point.

What you're finding isn't that the Dems are the sole source of corruption fleecing our nation. Rather, you're identifying that the Dems can be corrupt/inept like the GOP. Heck, look at the last two years - the Dems in Congress gave Bush everything he wanted which I think is even worse than what you've posted.

And the events you describe *did* hurt our nation's solvency. For sure. But this is not as a sole cause standing alone in a vacuum. That'd be ludicrous.

And I think that's where people suggest your theory is fantasy. Not that you don't show proof in this one area. Instead, it's your highly unrealistic, partisan assertion that our troubles were caused by a single cause in a silo.

Your argument would be much, much stronger if you included all the other factors such as Bush's constant push for private overspending, our current government which is the largest in US history, Socialism and waste driving up the cost of the Iraq Occupation that's breaking our bank, Bush's efforts to have taxes cut until 66% of corporations don't pay any taxes at all in a given year, etc...

The real issue is we've spent like drunken sailors while simultaneously shipping jobs overseas. We spend but don't make money to pay for it.

We're like the young guys I served with in the Army who'd overdraft their bank accounts because they still had blank checks in their books. We're also like the old Soviets.

And our financial woes are due to all of these are the factors - plus more.

There's blood on a lot of hands, Poon. Both the Dems and the GOP. But you're going to turn people away from any point you make if you cherrypick and ignore the total picture of corporate influence behind this wide-spread, two-party corruption.

We should not be fighting each other. We should be together demanding total change from a new political paradigm that doesn't included the bloated two-party system that answers to Corporations before We, the People.

Funny how you didn't mention in any of your posts the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. Please don't bother with any documentation that states how innocent that deregulation was. I, amongst others can provide just as much that states how it wasn't free of blame.

But I am big enough to state that I was wrong for having called you out instead of doing as I should have and repeated that old truism that the tie goes to the runner. Still, you and I have only presented one side of the issue.

I know you'll likely characterize FactCheck.org as being totally liberal because of the association with the Annenberg Project, but they've proven to be quite fair on this issue in calling both sides less than honest in their representations.

Forgive me. I suspect you'll someday do the same if you ever consider yourself to be wrong.

The hate is swelling in you now. Give in to your anger. Learn the power of the dark side.

Your "evidence" is pretty vague, and as far as I can tell, your argument is: that some Democrats supported the platform traditionally held by Republicans (deregulation), and they were wrong to do so; that some Republicans supported the platform traditionally held by the Democrats (regulation), and they were right to do so; that the platform traditionally held by Republicans is what caused the economic crisis; and finally, that a video of text + Dire Straits = "video evidence."

Wow, Poon, you pretty much nailed it. I feel the scales falling from my eyes. The real estate price bubble and derivatives fraud were caused by banks giving loans for crummy houses in run-down neighborhoods. The trickle-up effect caused million-dollar condos in Manhattan to become multi-million-dollar condos. Exurb developers were tricked into building too many McMansions in anticipation of the wave of unemployed buyers from the wrong side of town. Banks began cooking up toxic mortgages on inflated collateral, and passing on the inevitable defaults to somebody else, because ACORN might otherwise accuse them of redlining neighborhoods.

It all makes sense now. Roving bands of dark-skinned poor people grabbed the steering wheel and sent Wall Street over a cliff because there was too much banking regulation. Fucking powerless people ruin everything.

Hear, hear