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Angry Crowds at McCain Events Oct. 9, 2008
The panel of Ed Rollins, David Gergen and Paul Begala talk about the crazed angry mobs that the crowds at the McCain campaign events have turned into and whether this race is over for McCain or not. They try to conflate the ugliness of the McCain campaign to Obama calling out McCain for lying and at least Begala speaks up about it at the end.
Oct 10, 2008 10:39 PM
Re: Angry Crowds at McCain Events Oct. 9, 2008
Obama is playing it cool. If he accuses McCain of anything, it's almost always because McCain started the fire. What in God's name does McCain have to say or do to knock himself really out? He gets away with even calling Obama a terrorist on national television. My take is that McCain is trying to incite some fool out there to take out Obama; but he doesn't seem to know that even then he won't win. Goddamn old fart. If he dies, chances are he won't be found for weeks, he has so many houses and cars. The only luck here would be if he dies in one of his Arizona hideouts, because as we all know the Arizona air is particularly friendly to corpses. Plenty of wall lizards there, too, so the flies won't stand a chance, either. Besides, McCain is pumped full of so many pills he won't decompose for decades.
By the way, why don't both candidates clash their skulls together and be done with it. Either one spells bad news for the world.
End of rant. Criticism welcome.
By the way, why don't both candidates clash their skulls together and be done with it. Either one spells bad news for the world.
End of rant. Criticism welcome.
By: White_Wolf
Re: Angry Crowds at McCain Events Oct. 9, 2008
W_W was thinking of criticism that has a little more substance to it, sort of like along the lines of a moose thighbone.
Anyway, to continue my relentless assaults on McCain and his mustached running mate (I bet she will run if I ever track her down; darn her for traveling by helicopter since I botched that first and so far only attempt at oh never mind let me suffice to say that they need to dig her at least 12 feet into the rock-hard Alaskan soil because we like to unearth bones once in a while -- nice for the pups to toy with).
Where was I? Oh, right: it was good of McCain to tell his fervent (or is that fermenting?) followers that Obama is a decent man and not scary at all. Now he'll end up with even less votes come November. Ain't that swell? Let's see what he and his red buddies will come up with next. I have looked into McCain's eyes and saw four letters there, an F, an E, an A, and an R. That was just after my jaws had slowly but forcefully clamped down on his windpipe for nearly a minute. Darn, the old feller clings to life tenaciously. I didn't kill him, mind you; this ongoing political show is just too good to end right now. By the way, yes it was in one of his Arizona mansions. Nice garden. Very green. A black man was raking the leaves. I showed him my Obama/Biden '08 (fake, of course; I dislike both), which was like a magic key into McCain's mansion. Weather was a bit hot, though. I mean outside. In the mansion it was just fine. On the way out I peed all over Cindy. She was screaming at the top of her lungs, lurching on a chair (looked 17th century to me, very expensive-looking mahogany).
Anyway, to continue my relentless assaults on McCain and his mustached running mate (I bet she will run if I ever track her down; darn her for traveling by helicopter since I botched that first and so far only attempt at oh never mind let me suffice to say that they need to dig her at least 12 feet into the rock-hard Alaskan soil because we like to unearth bones once in a while -- nice for the pups to toy with).
Where was I? Oh, right: it was good of McCain to tell his fervent (or is that fermenting?) followers that Obama is a decent man and not scary at all. Now he'll end up with even less votes come November. Ain't that swell? Let's see what he and his red buddies will come up with next. I have looked into McCain's eyes and saw four letters there, an F, an E, an A, and an R. That was just after my jaws had slowly but forcefully clamped down on his windpipe for nearly a minute. Darn, the old feller clings to life tenaciously. I didn't kill him, mind you; this ongoing political show is just too good to end right now. By the way, yes it was in one of his Arizona mansions. Nice garden. Very green. A black man was raking the leaves. I showed him my Obama/Biden '08 (fake, of course; I dislike both), which was like a magic key into McCain's mansion. Weather was a bit hot, though. I mean outside. In the mansion it was just fine. On the way out I peed all over Cindy. She was screaming at the top of her lungs, lurching on a chair (looked 17th century to me, very expensive-looking mahogany).
By: White_Wolf
Re: Angry Crowds at McCain Events Oct. 9, 2008
Nothing to do with the substance of what you are saying, but (quite seriously) you shouldn't make jokes -- no matter how far fetched -- about vice presidential (or presidential) candidates like the one in your second paragraph above.
It's the kind of thing that gets you a visit from the secret service.
I know you're just kidding around, but I'm just saying this because it really does happen -- they take even joking threats very seriously.
It's the kind of thing that gets you a visit from the secret service.
I know you're just kidding around, but I'm just saying this because it really does happen -- they take even joking threats very seriously.
By: StrangeAttractor
Re: Angry Crowds at McCain Events Oct. 9, 2008
PS And yeah, I know you're doing it from the point of view of a fictional dog.
Nuances are lost on government agencies, though.
I've just seen it happen to people on other boards, and it's an unpleasant thing to go through.
Nuances are lost on government agencies, though.
I've just seen it happen to people on other boards, and it's an unpleasant thing to go through.
By: StrangeAttractor
Re: Angry Crowds at McCain Events Oct. 9, 2008
Thank you for your kind warnings. Much appreciated. No signs of men and women in black here -- yet. Maybe they've run out of budget. Anyway, if they ever show up, maybe they are willing to offer me a job that pays well. I've always wanted to get involved in reverse engineering at one of the secret American bases.
By: White_Wolf
Re: Angry Crowds at McCain Events Oct. 9, 2008
Oh, and please don't call me a dog again ;-)
By: White_Wolf
Re: Angry Crowds at McCain Events Oct. 9, 2008
I'm sorry to disappoint you w_w, but no criticism from me. Just a few extra thoughts. I don't think John McCain is a bad guy, I've always liked him for being one of the principled few in the Senate (or at least seemed to be principled). Now it seems that he doesn't care about anything besides winning regardless of the damage he does. If Obama does win, there's going to be a huge section of the population who think the president is a terrorist. That's weird, especially given the actions taken by the current administration.
As far as both of them banging their heads together and them both being bad news for the world, I disagree. These two candidates have very different policies and approaches to governing. At the very least, Obama believes diplomacy should be the cornerstone of our foreign policy which is a HUGE departure from the Bush Doctrine and McCain's "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran". I believe that we do not find great leaders, but that we force the leaders that we have to be great. I think that Obama has greater potential and am genuinely excited about him being President. If the people hold him and the rest of our elected officials accountable and get active in politics, than things can be turned around and we as a country can progress forward.
As far as both of them banging their heads together and them both being bad news for the world, I disagree. These two candidates have very different policies and approaches to governing. At the very least, Obama believes diplomacy should be the cornerstone of our foreign policy which is a HUGE departure from the Bush Doctrine and McCain's "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran". I believe that we do not find great leaders, but that we force the leaders that we have to be great. I think that Obama has greater potential and am genuinely excited about him being President. If the people hold him and the rest of our elected officials accountable and get active in politics, than things can be turned around and we as a country can progress forward.
By: Rou
Re: Angry Crowds at McCain Events Oct. 9, 2008
Well from neutral Canadian land...my observation is...there’s always that crazy part of rural USA that is still frozen in early 60’s. McCain can’t make it worse. They think this is some form of communist conspiracy that allowed blacks to vote...and now Obama...hell...this is the end of the world!
By: flopnik
Re: Angry Crowds at McCain Events Oct. 9, 2008
Lol, i've driven through some of those parts and the showers haven't made me clean since! Thanks for the perspective from one of our Northern friends :)
By: Rou
Re: Angry Crowds at McCain Events Oct. 9, 2008
I'm from the midwest and I agree to some part of that. We are very intelligent, but are misguided by people who claim to be righteous or trustworthy, when in reality, they are no better than everyone else.
I am a believer (my choice, not yours) and I am expected to vote Republican. Yet, I have a thinking mind and I feel my God wants me to use it and not be blindly guided and guilted into voting for one party or another. I believe both parties are hypocritical and are full of it!
What many urban voters see about rural America are the rednecks and dumbshits that don't check the facts and DON'T use their brains and only watch one channel, which is FOX, cause it is everywhere here, and they can't get other channels. Or worse, they are fed lies from the pulpit about the other media channels in general. To me, that is bullshit (AH, a Christian that cusses- can it!).
Even Jesus says Himself in Matthew 13:16 (NLT) "...blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear."
Legalism in Christianity is the worst and I have experienced it many times! A true Christian will not do nor accept what the Republicans have done to the US. I refuse to accept what has been done.
I am a believer (my choice, not yours) and I am expected to vote Republican. Yet, I have a thinking mind and I feel my God wants me to use it and not be blindly guided and guilted into voting for one party or another. I believe both parties are hypocritical and are full of it!
What many urban voters see about rural America are the rednecks and dumbshits that don't check the facts and DON'T use their brains and only watch one channel, which is FOX, cause it is everywhere here, and they can't get other channels. Or worse, they are fed lies from the pulpit about the other media channels in general. To me, that is bullshit (AH, a Christian that cusses- can it!).
Even Jesus says Himself in Matthew 13:16 (NLT) "...blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear."
Legalism in Christianity is the worst and I have experienced it many times! A true Christian will not do nor accept what the Republicans have done to the US. I refuse to accept what has been done.
By: Makatsuta
Re: Angry Crowds at McCain Events Oct. 9, 2008
Well, you proved that republicans rather divided entire nation and hoped they will get support from their traditionally targeted groups. At the same time, Obama managed to unite significant number of voters regardless of their ethnicity, religion, class, or place of residence.
Since I am not American I can’t be patriotistic about this issue, but if you ask me...unity vs. further division...choice is very clear!
Since I am not American I can’t be patriotistic about this issue, but if you ask me...unity vs. further division...choice is very clear!
By: flopnik
Re: Angry Crowds at McCain Events Oct. 9, 2008
You say: If the people hold him and the rest of our elected officials accountable and get active in politics, than things can be turned around and we as a country can progress forward.
I think that depends on who gets involved. We have seen a huge involvement in the political processes by the evangelicals and fundamentalist churches. How has that made anything better? From my perspective , their involvement has deterred us from the real business of government and diverted our resources to issues that should be the business of churches and families personal choices.
I think that depends on who gets involved. We have seen a huge involvement in the political processes by the evangelicals and fundamentalist churches. How has that made anything better? From my perspective , their involvement has deterred us from the real business of government and diverted our resources to issues that should be the business of churches and families personal choices.
Re: Angry Crowds at McCain Events Oct. 9, 2008
When I watched the debates and the candidates rallies, I see a presidential Obama with respectful people in the audiences. He inspires civility and sanity. He chose a running mate who does the same.
On the other hand, the McCain and Palin rallies are are comprised of hate-filled people yelling "Obama is a Terrorist "and "Kill Him." They inspire hate and division.
Do we want a country of "civility and sanity" or "hate and division?"
On the other hand, the McCain and Palin rallies are are comprised of hate-filled people yelling "Obama is a Terrorist "and "Kill Him." They inspire hate and division.
Do we want a country of "civility and sanity" or "hate and division?"
